Obviously the system has never been perfect and further corrupted from me Glory Days of the post war era however lacking they were,
But we kept elections and freedom of expressio, something eastern governments rarely had going back 2500 years.
And what you say is my fucking point to begin with. They are taking away our governmental structure, and replacing it with an Eastern style one, which is to say an autocracy with no freedom of expression, no freedom of the press, and us at the complete mercy of the Criminal Justice System.
However bad it is now, you better believe it’s going to get a whole lot worse. Unless you guys get your head out of the establishment Democrats’ ass and help get some electable, populist, and aggressive candidates that know how to build and run a political machine.
“But we kept elections and freedom of expression, something eastern governments rarely had going back 2500 years.”*
The “west” has a history of colonialism and vast destruction of the global south through conquest and death that continues in the spirit of economic domination of third world nations via resource extraction and debt-traps through the IMF. At no point does our “Rich History” matters when all we’ve used it for is to oppress entire nations, classes of people and races of people.
“which is to say an autocracy with no freedom of expression, no freedom of the press, and us at the complete mercy of the Criminal Justice System.”
wowza almost like suspected anarchists and communists in the 1920s-1980s under the U.S government!
First of all, Russia has never been considered a western style government they have always had in eastern style government.
Second of all, you are denying there is a difference between countries that elect their leaders, and countries with an all-powerful ruler.
Don’t let your PC auxiliary Brigade cohorts here think you are on to something, it is really too stupid for me to argue against here truly. As such I did not read whatever dribble you wrote.
First of all, Russia has never been considered a western style government they have always had in eastern style government.
Because I didn’t say anything against that.
Second of all, you are denying there is a difference between countries that elect their leaders, and countries with an all-powerful ruler.
I’m not, because you have ignored all evidence that the Soviet Union and China actually have democratic conventions. There is other parties than the CPC, eight smaller ones actually. Provincial elections are held to determine the best candidates based on their skill and ability to serve the people, rather than what color and policies they back. Someone linked you a direct video of this, do you want more information on it, or are you content to believe that the East has no democratic conventions whatsoever?
Yup. Funny enough, citizens in the Soviet Union had a better diet and caloric intake at the peak under Stalin than the United States. The Soviet Union and China also have a higher home ownership rate as well as a lower homelessness and poverty level.
Read 'em and weep, tiger. That’s the “pointer”, one of many. From your very own intelligence agency that serves the West admonishing and giving credence to the power of the “Eastern Soviet System”. Funny how that works.
Don’t let your PC auxiliary Brigade cohorts here think you are on to something, it is really too stupid for me to argue against here truly.
All this rambling and gargling about “PC, WOKE cohorts”. I don’t need any of their approval in what I say, think or read, by the way. I found this website and came into it independently and of my own volition, through reading theory and doctrine of my own will. All your garbage about “PC brigade” falls apart when you realize most of us here are dedicated, well-read communists who have already dealt with many a “stupid” person like you and came into our political beliefs after many years of growth and political analysis.
I’m not disparaging my comrades, because your garbage is meaningless. I should just clarify that you’re an idiot for even generalizing us all onto the “woke democrat bandwagon” despite the majority of us thinking that most of the U.S govt should be tried for crimes against humanity. Both sides of the aisles sentenced, please.
Do you think you have a pointer? Russia has always been an Eastern style government, even when they had the facade of elections. If you actually read any of my responses you would already know that. Just stroking off that outrage boner aren’t you?
That’s what it is, group trolling, trying to find any excuse to troll somebody for a purported infraction, not caring the truth of it. That is why everybody hates the PC brigades.
Listen, I’ll bring the tone down a notch. I hear your concerns about military power. While it’s valid to be wary of its domestic use, the characterization of Eastern citizens as “obedient slaves” is an unfair and harmful stereotype. Billions of people live full, free, and autonomous lives under various governments. We can debate policy without relying on racist tropes that misrepresent entire cultures.
That is not what I fucking said. And I explained that’s not what I said. I said trying to turn us into obedient slaves. Trying to turn us into an Eastern style government. Two separate points. But in regards to China it would not be all that incorrect anyway. The factory workers in China do 6-12s, 12 hours a day, 6 days a week. No job protections, no benefits to speak of. If they get hurt there fucked. Many of them do not have residency in the city that they work in, which means they are illegal in their own country and can be jailed, beaten up, thrown out Uptown on a whim by employers and in the authorities. Now I know what you might say, they outlawed the 6-12s in China not long ago. But as Chinese workers have told us and has been published, the employers still forced them to work 6:12 and just pay them for less than that. Regardless the pay is starvation wages.
So you will excuse me if I stand up for myself against some PC Warriors trying to get offended on other people’s behalf without fucking cause.
Wtf is that? I never saod that, maybe word to text errors. But you have not answered my actual points.
Meaning you are just looking for an excuse to be shitty to somebody regardless of their actual point.
This is why everybody hates the PC brigades.
If you want to respond to my actual refutations of your bad faith attacks I will respond, otherwise, piss off and find somebody to accuse of cultural appropriation or something.
More bad faith attacks ignoring and misunderstanding on purpose to troll someone, what the right calls the woke mob type shit.
All over the dumbest possible infraction, using established terminology you just decided right now is bigoted against… let me check my notes… autocratic eastern governments with an all powerful ruler dispensing with governance at will.
To say the dumbest possible infraction is not even accurate, the dumbest possible purposeful misunderstanding is more like it. Don’t let any crew of half wits think you have something here, the public at large would mock and ridicule you for this dumbass argument.
Disenlighten me, what is the difference between autocratic eastern governments and autocratic western governments so stark that it requires distinction between the two?
On what evidence? We are literally giving you direct evidence from the C.I.A that the Soviet Union had plenty of democratic conventions. What is going against the fucking hostile, enemy intelligence agency that is the direct polar opposite to the Soviet Union and monitoring it’s every actions in your evidence?
Your turn. Prove the Soviet Union had a “Facade of Elections”
The Soviet Union got ganged up on by all the capitalist countries because everyone was scared shitless of socialism, all the super rich made sure they were attacked in any way possible, at one point they were fighting on 17 different fronts with the largest standing army the world has ever seen.
All of those attacks I believe led to their army gaming an outsized power that allowed them to seize control with a strong man and turning the government against what it should have been.
Stalin was a monster by all accounts. Maybe if Lennon or Trotsky were leading things it could have been different. Trotsky who got ice picked in the head by an assassin in Mexico City at a speech he was giving, by stalin’s agent.
As to the Democratic conventions, it was all fixed. There was some degree of voting at the beginning right after the revolution, the Bolsheviks got elected and then they got voted out the next Congress or whatever they called it and they kept power. Very few if any of their elections were honest to my knowledge.
In case you don’t know all the people accusing you of Nazi level racism and insinuating you should be executed for the levels of Nazi racism you are experiencing here should at least give you pause and make you reflect on your racist remarks.
Otherwise I would not really give two shits if someone splattered your brains over a brick wall.
Wow buddy you are getting pretty emotional. Yes that’s a good point, making a distinction between western style republics and Eastern Style autocracies is… a distinction written in books and Publications for hundreds of years, including our modern era, that nobody has taken issue with until your PC auxiliary Brigade got in on the action here. You are why cynical politicians accuse people of being woke and the voters embrace it. Everybody has been unfairly attacked by a PC group. Luckily I am enlightened so will not affect my political behavior, maybe your time would be better spent helping prevent us from becoming an autocracy instead of denying a difference between what we used to have in this country and across the west, and what we are now becoming.
Lmao I looked at my phone cuz I’m bored in the office and almost fell out of my chair seeing them reply again. Part of me really wants to think it’s one of us doing a bit because it is so on the nose but I fear it is actually sincere.
Haven’t I already explained this,? Are you just not acknowledging it or have you not read that part yet? If you want to continue stroking off your outrage boner here, why do you not answer the fact that western style governments and Eastern style governments have been referred to for hundreds of years including in our modern era, and no one has taken issue with it until you here now.
But I suppose it is unforgivably bigoted against autocracies isn’t it? You should get a job in the administration they would love to have you. You would fit right in
Unless you guys get your head out of the establishment Democrats’ ass
holy shit dumbass, you clearly have not spent a single second on this site have you?
replacing it with an Eastern style one, which is to say an autocracy with no freedom of expression, no freedom of the press, and us at the complete mercy of the Criminal Justice System.
Famously, countries in the east have no freedom of expression and no freedom of the press, right? PLEASE understand that you have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re honestly telling me that you buy the propaganda that China, a country with 1.4 billion people, has no freedom of expression and no freedom of the press?
People are calling you a Western Chauvinist because you are spouting shit like this, which JUST SO HAPPENS to also align with the US State Department talking points. Hmm… So maybe you could stop posting and responding for a minute, and have the courage to listen to the comrades here that are telling you you have no clue what the fuck you’re talking about.
That is a lot of words to state that there is no difference between liberal democracies and eastern governments.
Words I did not read.
Since you are resigned to surrender your freedom to the party I do not value your opinion on anything, or your pc reactionaries, everyone hates this shit and I am proud to be in opposition to your faction.
I understand your point and frustration but the impasse we are at here I believe is that the avg hexbear user would claim liberal democracy will ALWAYS trend in this direction. The system is what it does. Sure, I think it’s good to elect strong socialist-adjacent progressives in your local areas to improve the life of working class people, but (someone correct me I’m mistaken) the philosophical position here is that the end result of the system is always fascism and capitalist dictatorship. It will always trend to this conclusion.
Obviously the system has never been perfect and further corrupted from me Glory Days of the post war era however lacking they were,
But we kept elections and freedom of expressio, something eastern governments rarely had going back 2500 years.
And what you say is my fucking point to begin with. They are taking away our governmental structure, and replacing it with an Eastern style one, which is to say an autocracy with no freedom of expression, no freedom of the press, and us at the complete mercy of the Criminal Justice System.
However bad it is now, you better believe it’s going to get a whole lot worse. Unless you guys get your head out of the establishment Democrats’ ass and help get some electable, populist, and aggressive candidates that know how to build and run a political machine.
You’re just finding excuses to take all the credit (and exaggerate it, too) and none of the blame.
Would that be when the country legally segregated black people and functionally barred them from voting? Even moreso than now, I mean.
Also the era where we became a safe harbor for high-ranking Nazis.
The “west” has a history of colonialism and vast destruction of the global south through conquest and death that continues in the spirit of economic domination of third world nations via resource extraction and debt-traps through the IMF. At no point does our “Rich History” matters when all we’ve used it for is to oppress entire nations, classes of people and races of people.
wowza almost like suspected anarchists and communists in the 1920s-1980s under the U.S government!
First of all, Russia has never been considered a western style government they have always had in eastern style government.
Second of all, you are denying there is a difference between countries that elect their leaders, and countries with an all-powerful ruler.
Don’t let your PC auxiliary Brigade cohorts here think you are on to something, it is really too stupid for me to argue against here truly. As such I did not read whatever dribble you wrote.
It’s obvious you didn’t read what I wrote.
Because I didn’t say anything against that.
I’m not, because you have ignored all evidence that the Soviet Union and China actually have democratic conventions. There is other parties than the CPC, eight smaller ones actually. Provincial elections are held to determine the best candidates based on their skill and ability to serve the people, rather than what color and policies they back. Someone linked you a direct video of this, do you want more information on it, or are you content to believe that the East has no democratic conventions whatsoever?
Yup. Funny enough, citizens in the Soviet Union had a better diet and caloric intake at the peak under Stalin than the United States. The Soviet Union and China also have a higher home ownership rate as well as a lower homelessness and poverty level.
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/cia-rdp85m00363r000601440024-5.pdf
Read 'em and weep, tiger. That’s the “pointer”, one of many. From your very own intelligence agency that serves the West admonishing and giving credence to the power of the “Eastern Soviet System”. Funny how that works.
All this rambling and gargling about “PC, WOKE cohorts”. I don’t need any of their approval in what I say, think or read, by the way. I found this website and came into it independently and of my own volition, through reading theory and doctrine of my own will. All your garbage about “PC brigade” falls apart when you realize most of us here are dedicated, well-read communists who have already dealt with many a “stupid” person like you and came into our political beliefs after many years of growth and political analysis.
I’m not disparaging my comrades, because your garbage is meaningless. I should just clarify that you’re an idiot for even generalizing us all onto the “woke democrat bandwagon” despite the majority of us thinking that most of the U.S govt should be tried for crimes against humanity. Both sides of the aisles sentenced, please.
One day, perhaps, you’ll learn too.
Do you think you have a pointer? Russia has always been an Eastern style government, even when they had the facade of elections. If you actually read any of my responses you would already know that. Just stroking off that outrage boner aren’t you?
This is easily the funniest thread we’ve had in a long time. Keep it up!
That’s what it is, group trolling, trying to find any excuse to troll somebody for a purported infraction, not caring the truth of it. That is why everybody hates the PC brigades.
Listen, I’ll bring the tone down a notch. I hear your concerns about military power. While it’s valid to be wary of its domestic use, the characterization of Eastern citizens as “obedient slaves” is an unfair and harmful stereotype. Billions of people live full, free, and autonomous lives under various governments. We can debate policy without relying on racist tropes that misrepresent entire cultures.
That is not what I fucking said. And I explained that’s not what I said. I said trying to turn us into obedient slaves. Trying to turn us into an Eastern style government. Two separate points. But in regards to China it would not be all that incorrect anyway. The factory workers in China do 6-12s, 12 hours a day, 6 days a week. No job protections, no benefits to speak of. If they get hurt there fucked. Many of them do not have residency in the city that they work in, which means they are illegal in their own country and can be jailed, beaten up, thrown out Uptown on a whim by employers and in the authorities. Now I know what you might say, they outlawed the 6-12s in China not long ago. But as Chinese workers have told us and has been published, the employers still forced them to work 6:12 and just pay them for less than that. Regardless the pay is starvation wages.
So you will excuse me if I stand up for myself against some PC Warriors trying to get offended on other people’s behalf without fucking cause.
But you’re still here playing along with us, we appreciate that
If you had a stroke, nobody would notice the difference
Wtf is that? I never saod that, maybe word to text errors. But you have not answered my actual points.
Meaning you are just looking for an excuse to be shitty to somebody regardless of their actual point.
This is why everybody hates the PC brigades.
If you want to respond to my actual refutations of your bad faith attacks I will respond, otherwise, piss off and find somebody to accuse of cultural appropriation or something.
Someone else raised this possibility and now i have to ask: were you raised in a Mormon compound?
What refutation lol you just keep saying eastern style government is bad and authoritarian.
Elections being a facade has been the hallmark of the governments you call western style but as I’ve just read you don’t really care about that.
More bad faith attacks ignoring and misunderstanding on purpose to troll someone, what the right calls the woke mob type shit.
All over the dumbest possible infraction, using established terminology you just decided right now is bigoted against… let me check my notes… autocratic eastern governments with an all powerful ruler dispensing with governance at will.
To say the dumbest possible infraction is not even accurate, the dumbest possible purposeful misunderstanding is more like it. Don’t let any crew of half wits think you have something here, the public at large would mock and ridicule you for this dumbass argument.
Disenlighten me, what is the difference between autocratic eastern governments and autocratic western governments so stark that it requires distinction between the two?
I have already told you this multiple times. Respond to my actual points I have made or piss off
On what evidence? We are literally giving you direct evidence from the C.I.A that the Soviet Union had plenty of democratic conventions. What is going against the fucking hostile, enemy intelligence agency that is the direct polar opposite to the Soviet Union and monitoring it’s every actions in your evidence?
Your turn. Prove the Soviet Union had a “Facade of Elections”
The Soviet Union got ganged up on by all the capitalist countries because everyone was scared shitless of socialism, all the super rich made sure they were attacked in any way possible, at one point they were fighting on 17 different fronts with the largest standing army the world has ever seen.
All of those attacks I believe led to their army gaming an outsized power that allowed them to seize control with a strong man and turning the government against what it should have been.
Stalin was a monster by all accounts. Maybe if Lennon or Trotsky were leading things it could have been different. Trotsky who got ice picked in the head by an assassin in Mexico City at a speech he was giving, by stalin’s agent.
As to the Democratic conventions, it was all fixed. There was some degree of voting at the beginning right after the revolution, the Bolsheviks got elected and then they got voted out the next Congress or whatever they called it and they kept power. Very few if any of their elections were honest to my knowledge.
Okay this has to be a bit lmao
In case you don’t know all the people accusing you of Nazi level racism and insinuating you should be executed for the levels of Nazi racism you are experiencing here should at least give you pause and make you reflect on your racist remarks.
Otherwise I would not really give two shits if someone splattered your brains over a brick wall.
Wow buddy you are getting pretty emotional. Yes that’s a good point, making a distinction between western style republics and Eastern Style autocracies is… a distinction written in books and Publications for hundreds of years, including our modern era, that nobody has taken issue with until your PC auxiliary Brigade got in on the action here. You are why cynical politicians accuse people of being woke and the voters embrace it. Everybody has been unfairly attacked by a PC group. Luckily I am enlightened so will not affect my political behavior, maybe your time would be better spent helping prevent us from becoming an autocracy instead of denying a difference between what we used to have in this country and across the west, and what we are now becoming.
Really makes me think it’s a Hexbear doing a bit so they can get a bunch of taglines.
Lmao this dude is still going. Slowly shrinking into a corncob while accusing the rest of us of being mad
Lmao I looked at my phone cuz I’m bored in the office and almost fell out of my chair seeing them reply again. Part of me really wants to think it’s one of us doing a bit because it is so on the nose but I fear it is actually sincere.
If it’s a bit it’s a really good one
Look at that longass wall of text. Little guy is clearly a little mad
what fuckin books are you even talking about? Old Timey Racism for the 19th Century Cracker?
Haven’t I already explained this,? Are you just not acknowledging it or have you not read that part yet? If you want to continue stroking off your outrage boner here, why do you not answer the fact that western style governments and Eastern style governments have been referred to for hundreds of years including in our modern era, and no one has taken issue with it until you here now.
But I suppose it is unforgivably bigoted against autocracies isn’t it? You should get a job in the administration they would love to have you. You would fit right in
It’s like having a pet redditor.
Alienated vs Predditor
holy shit dumbass, you clearly have not spent a single second on this site have you?
Famously, countries in the east have no freedom of expression and no freedom of the press, right? PLEASE understand that you have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re honestly telling me that you buy the propaganda that China, a country with 1.4 billion people, has no freedom of expression and no freedom of the press?
People are calling you a Western Chauvinist because you are spouting shit like this, which JUST SO HAPPENS to also align with the US State Department talking points. Hmm… So maybe you could stop posting and responding for a minute, and have the courage to listen to the comrades here that are telling you you have no clue what the fuck you’re talking about.
That is a lot of words to state that there is no difference between liberal democracies and eastern governments.
Words I did not read.
Since you are resigned to surrender your freedom to the party I do not value your opinion on anything, or your pc reactionaries, everyone hates this shit and I am proud to be in opposition to your faction.
If you didn’t read the words, how do you know what they stated?
Literally talk to one person from “the east” and you’ll realize how absurdly wrong you are
Bernie is a zionist. Is that your populist, aggressive candidate that will stop the genocide in Palestine?
I understand your point and frustration but the impasse we are at here I believe is that the avg hexbear user would claim liberal democracy will ALWAYS trend in this direction. The system is what it does. Sure, I think it’s good to elect strong socialist-adjacent progressives in your local areas to improve the life of working class people, but (someone correct me I’m mistaken) the philosophical position here is that the end result of the system is always fascism and capitalist dictatorship. It will always trend to this conclusion.