“But we kept elections and freedom of expression, something eastern governments rarely had going back 2500 years.”*
The “west” has a history of colonialism and vast destruction of the global south through conquest and death that continues in the spirit of economic domination of third world nations via resource extraction and debt-traps through the IMF. At no point does our “Rich History” matters when all we’ve used it for is to oppress entire nations, classes of people and races of people.
“which is to say an autocracy with no freedom of expression, no freedom of the press, and us at the complete mercy of the Criminal Justice System.”
wowza almost like suspected anarchists and communists in the 1920s-1980s under the U.S government!
First of all, Russia has never been considered a western style government they have always had in eastern style government.
Second of all, you are denying there is a difference between countries that elect their leaders, and countries with an all-powerful ruler.
Don’t let your PC auxiliary Brigade cohorts here think you are on to something, it is really too stupid for me to argue against here truly. As such I did not read whatever dribble you wrote.
First of all, Russia has never been considered a western style government they have always had in eastern style government.
Because I didn’t say anything against that.
Second of all, you are denying there is a difference between countries that elect their leaders, and countries with an all-powerful ruler.
I’m not, because you have ignored all evidence that the Soviet Union and China actually have democratic conventions. There is other parties than the CPC, eight smaller ones actually. Provincial elections are held to determine the best candidates based on their skill and ability to serve the people, rather than what color and policies they back. Someone linked you a direct video of this, do you want more information on it, or are you content to believe that the East has no democratic conventions whatsoever?
Yup. Funny enough, citizens in the Soviet Union had a better diet and caloric intake at the peak under Stalin than the United States. The Soviet Union and China also have a higher home ownership rate as well as a lower homelessness and poverty level.
Read 'em and weep, tiger. That’s the “pointer”, one of many. From your very own intelligence agency that serves the West admonishing and giving credence to the power of the “Eastern Soviet System”. Funny how that works.
Don’t let your PC auxiliary Brigade cohorts here think you are on to something, it is really too stupid for me to argue against here truly.
All this rambling and gargling about “PC, WOKE cohorts”. I don’t need any of their approval in what I say, think or read, by the way. I found this website and came into it independently and of my own volition, through reading theory and doctrine of my own will. All your garbage about “PC brigade” falls apart when you realize most of us here are dedicated, well-read communists who have already dealt with many a “stupid” person like you and came into our political beliefs after many years of growth and political analysis.
I’m not disparaging my comrades, because your garbage is meaningless. I should just clarify that you’re an idiot for even generalizing us all onto the “woke democrat bandwagon” despite the majority of us thinking that most of the U.S govt should be tried for crimes against humanity. Both sides of the aisles sentenced, please.
Do you think you have a pointer? Russia has always been an Eastern style government, even when they had the facade of elections. If you actually read any of my responses you would already know that. Just stroking off that outrage boner aren’t you?
That’s what it is, group trolling, trying to find any excuse to troll somebody for a purported infraction, not caring the truth of it. That is why everybody hates the PC brigades.
Listen, I’ll bring the tone down a notch. I hear your concerns about military power. While it’s valid to be wary of its domestic use, the characterization of Eastern citizens as “obedient slaves” is an unfair and harmful stereotype. Billions of people live full, free, and autonomous lives under various governments. We can debate policy without relying on racist tropes that misrepresent entire cultures.
That is not what I fucking said. And I explained that’s not what I said. I said trying to turn us into obedient slaves. Trying to turn us into an Eastern style government. Two separate points. But in regards to China it would not be all that incorrect anyway. The factory workers in China do 6-12s, 12 hours a day, 6 days a week. No job protections, no benefits to speak of. If they get hurt there fucked. Many of them do not have residency in the city that they work in, which means they are illegal in their own country and can be jailed, beaten up, thrown out Uptown on a whim by employers and in the authorities. Now I know what you might say, they outlawed the 6-12s in China not long ago. But as Chinese workers have told us and has been published, the employers still forced them to work 6:12 and just pay them for less than that. Regardless the pay is starvation wages.
So you will excuse me if I stand up for myself against some PC Warriors trying to get offended on other people’s behalf without fucking cause.
I hear your frustration, and you’re right to be angry about worker exploitation; it’s a global problem.
But focusing that anger solely on China, using it as a civilizational bogeyman, is the issue. It ignores that our own system creates similar misery. Amazon workers in the US pee in bottles to meet quotas, gig workers have zero benefits, and millions face medical bankruptcy. This isn’t an “Eastern” problem.
By framing this as a unique moral failure of the East, you’re reinforcing a racist stereotype that the West is inherently free and the East is inherently servile.
Wtf is that? I never saod that, maybe word to text errors. But you have not answered my actual points.
Meaning you are just looking for an excuse to be shitty to somebody regardless of their actual point.
This is why everybody hates the PC brigades.
If you want to respond to my actual refutations of your bad faith attacks I will respond, otherwise, piss off and find somebody to accuse of cultural appropriation or something.
More bad faith attacks ignoring and misunderstanding on purpose to troll someone, what the right calls the woke mob type shit.
All over the dumbest possible infraction, using established terminology you just decided right now is bigoted against… let me check my notes… autocratic eastern governments with an all powerful ruler dispensing with governance at will.
To say the dumbest possible infraction is not even accurate, the dumbest possible purposeful misunderstanding is more like it. Don’t let any crew of half wits think you have something here, the public at large would mock and ridicule you for this dumbass argument.
Disenlighten me, what is the difference between autocratic eastern governments and autocratic western governments so stark that it requires distinction between the two?
On what evidence? We are literally giving you direct evidence from the C.I.A that the Soviet Union had plenty of democratic conventions. What is going against the fucking hostile, enemy intelligence agency that is the direct polar opposite to the Soviet Union and monitoring it’s every actions in your evidence?
Your turn. Prove the Soviet Union had a “Facade of Elections”
The Soviet Union got ganged up on by all the capitalist countries because everyone was scared shitless of socialism, all the super rich made sure they were attacked in any way possible, at one point they were fighting on 17 different fronts with the largest standing army the world has ever seen.
All of those attacks I believe led to their army gaming an outsized power that allowed them to seize control with a strong man and turning the government against what it should have been.
Stalin was a monster by all accounts. Maybe if Lennon or Trotsky were leading things it could have been different. Trotsky who got ice picked in the head by an assassin in Mexico City at a speech he was giving, by stalin’s agent.
As to the Democratic conventions, it was all fixed. There was some degree of voting at the beginning right after the revolution, the Bolsheviks got elected and then they got voted out the next Congress or whatever they called it and they kept power. Very few if any of their elections were honest to my knowledge.
The “west” has a history of colonialism and vast destruction of the global south through conquest and death that continues in the spirit of economic domination of third world nations via resource extraction and debt-traps through the IMF. At no point does our “Rich History” matters when all we’ve used it for is to oppress entire nations, classes of people and races of people.
wowza almost like suspected anarchists and communists in the 1920s-1980s under the U.S government!
First of all, Russia has never been considered a western style government they have always had in eastern style government.
Second of all, you are denying there is a difference between countries that elect their leaders, and countries with an all-powerful ruler.
Don’t let your PC auxiliary Brigade cohorts here think you are on to something, it is really too stupid for me to argue against here truly. As such I did not read whatever dribble you wrote.
It’s obvious you didn’t read what I wrote.
Because I didn’t say anything against that.
I’m not, because you have ignored all evidence that the Soviet Union and China actually have democratic conventions. There is other parties than the CPC, eight smaller ones actually. Provincial elections are held to determine the best candidates based on their skill and ability to serve the people, rather than what color and policies they back. Someone linked you a direct video of this, do you want more information on it, or are you content to believe that the East has no democratic conventions whatsoever?
Yup. Funny enough, citizens in the Soviet Union had a better diet and caloric intake at the peak under Stalin than the United States. The Soviet Union and China also have a higher home ownership rate as well as a lower homelessness and poverty level.
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/cia-rdp85m00363r000601440024-5.pdf
Read 'em and weep, tiger. That’s the “pointer”, one of many. From your very own intelligence agency that serves the West admonishing and giving credence to the power of the “Eastern Soviet System”. Funny how that works.
All this rambling and gargling about “PC, WOKE cohorts”. I don’t need any of their approval in what I say, think or read, by the way. I found this website and came into it independently and of my own volition, through reading theory and doctrine of my own will. All your garbage about “PC brigade” falls apart when you realize most of us here are dedicated, well-read communists who have already dealt with many a “stupid” person like you and came into our political beliefs after many years of growth and political analysis.
I’m not disparaging my comrades, because your garbage is meaningless. I should just clarify that you’re an idiot for even generalizing us all onto the “woke democrat bandwagon” despite the majority of us thinking that most of the U.S govt should be tried for crimes against humanity. Both sides of the aisles sentenced, please.
One day, perhaps, you’ll learn too.
Do you think you have a pointer? Russia has always been an Eastern style government, even when they had the facade of elections. If you actually read any of my responses you would already know that. Just stroking off that outrage boner aren’t you?
This is easily the funniest thread we’ve had in a long time. Keep it up!
That’s what it is, group trolling, trying to find any excuse to troll somebody for a purported infraction, not caring the truth of it. That is why everybody hates the PC brigades.
Listen, I’ll bring the tone down a notch. I hear your concerns about military power. While it’s valid to be wary of its domestic use, the characterization of Eastern citizens as “obedient slaves” is an unfair and harmful stereotype. Billions of people live full, free, and autonomous lives under various governments. We can debate policy without relying on racist tropes that misrepresent entire cultures.
That is not what I fucking said. And I explained that’s not what I said. I said trying to turn us into obedient slaves. Trying to turn us into an Eastern style government. Two separate points. But in regards to China it would not be all that incorrect anyway. The factory workers in China do 6-12s, 12 hours a day, 6 days a week. No job protections, no benefits to speak of. If they get hurt there fucked. Many of them do not have residency in the city that they work in, which means they are illegal in their own country and can be jailed, beaten up, thrown out Uptown on a whim by employers and in the authorities. Now I know what you might say, they outlawed the 6-12s in China not long ago. But as Chinese workers have told us and has been published, the employers still forced them to work 6:12 and just pay them for less than that. Regardless the pay is starvation wages.
So you will excuse me if I stand up for myself against some PC Warriors trying to get offended on other people’s behalf without fucking cause.
I hear your frustration, and you’re right to be angry about worker exploitation; it’s a global problem.
But focusing that anger solely on China, using it as a civilizational bogeyman, is the issue. It ignores that our own system creates similar misery. Amazon workers in the US pee in bottles to meet quotas, gig workers have zero benefits, and millions face medical bankruptcy. This isn’t an “Eastern” problem.
By framing this as a unique moral failure of the East, you’re reinforcing a racist stereotype that the West is inherently free and the East is inherently servile.
But you’re still here playing along with us, we appreciate that
If you had a stroke, nobody would notice the difference
Wtf is that? I never saod that, maybe word to text errors. But you have not answered my actual points.
Meaning you are just looking for an excuse to be shitty to somebody regardless of their actual point.
This is why everybody hates the PC brigades.
If you want to respond to my actual refutations of your bad faith attacks I will respond, otherwise, piss off and find somebody to accuse of cultural appropriation or something.
Someone else raised this possibility and now i have to ask: were you raised in a Mormon compound?
What refutation lol you just keep saying eastern style government is bad and authoritarian.
Elections being a facade has been the hallmark of the governments you call western style but as I’ve just read you don’t really care about that.
More bad faith attacks ignoring and misunderstanding on purpose to troll someone, what the right calls the woke mob type shit.
All over the dumbest possible infraction, using established terminology you just decided right now is bigoted against… let me check my notes… autocratic eastern governments with an all powerful ruler dispensing with governance at will.
To say the dumbest possible infraction is not even accurate, the dumbest possible purposeful misunderstanding is more like it. Don’t let any crew of half wits think you have something here, the public at large would mock and ridicule you for this dumbass argument.
Disenlighten me, what is the difference between autocratic eastern governments and autocratic western governments so stark that it requires distinction between the two?
I have already told you this multiple times. Respond to my actual points I have made or piss off
On what evidence? We are literally giving you direct evidence from the C.I.A that the Soviet Union had plenty of democratic conventions. What is going against the fucking hostile, enemy intelligence agency that is the direct polar opposite to the Soviet Union and monitoring it’s every actions in your evidence?
Your turn. Prove the Soviet Union had a “Facade of Elections”
The Soviet Union got ganged up on by all the capitalist countries because everyone was scared shitless of socialism, all the super rich made sure they were attacked in any way possible, at one point they were fighting on 17 different fronts with the largest standing army the world has ever seen.
All of those attacks I believe led to their army gaming an outsized power that allowed them to seize control with a strong man and turning the government against what it should have been.
Stalin was a monster by all accounts. Maybe if Lennon or Trotsky were leading things it could have been different. Trotsky who got ice picked in the head by an assassin in Mexico City at a speech he was giving, by stalin’s agent.
As to the Democratic conventions, it was all fixed. There was some degree of voting at the beginning right after the revolution, the Bolsheviks got elected and then they got voted out the next Congress or whatever they called it and they kept power. Very few if any of their elections were honest to my knowledge.
Okay this has to be a bit lmao