HE’S BACK BABY!
When Gina Carano got fired for saying that “the left” had created an atmosphere, where it was OK to abuse those “the left” didnt agree with, she was fired because she likened this to how the nazis did the same to create an atmosphere where hating Jewish people was OK. “The right” then came out moaning about free speech, and “the left” said that disney was a private company and could fire whoever they wanted.
Now its… three/four? Years later, and Kimmel has been fired for saying that Kirks shooter was right wing and that “the right” were doing anything they can to make it appear otherwise. Disney once again, has taken action by not quite firing Kimmel, but its effectively what it is. Now “the left” is banging on about free speech, and “the right” is jerking off to the sound of “consequences” and "Disney is a private company who can fire anyone they want.
Its kinda funny how points of view are so easily moved around depending on the politics are play, huh?
This is kinda the world you all created for yourselves. Anyone not balls deep in the dumb culture wars told you this “cancel culture” would have swings and roundabouts. Fucking with peoples lives and careers because they made some edgy joke on twitter a decade earlier. Celebrating cunts like Skai Jackson who was doxxing fucking children online, and sending millions of her followers after those children because they said something mildly racist. Its all a big fucking nightmare now, and its never going to stop. The right, the left, whoever is on top will be coming for whoever, for whatever, whenever. None you could just leave it at dont watch the people you dont like. You had to have them fired or ruin their lives. Well, this is what that looks like now. Congrats, you played yourselves.
Disney was coerced by the federal government via FCC commissioner threats and literally by Donald Trump himself, President the United States.
If you don’t understand what the difference is, you really need to shut the fuck up until you can graduate high school.
There is no legal way for the FCC to force disney to do anything. This was one man, Carr, talking out of is arse, trying to look hard for his orange daddy. Why anyone would take what he said seriously, I dont know. If Carr had the power to do anything, he would have done it through legal channels. But he didnt. He just said some shit, and everyone pointed to that being the “real reason” because it couldnt possibly just be that disney, a company with a history of throwing talent under the bus, could just want to walk away from him.
no legal way
It’s astounding how close they are to understanding, and yet…
Why anyone would take what he said seriously, I dont know.
Maybe because he’s Chairman of the FCC, and wields enormous power?
Guys I think this is literally Gina Carano’s Lemmy account, she’s been talking about this shit in like three threads
Kimmel did not say he’s rightwing. He said the right is doing everything they can to make it appear he isn’t one of them. As usual, your collective persecution fetish fills in the blanks.
A corporation caving to public pressure/sentiment is very different than caving to the president of the United States after he threatens to use the levers of government power to destroy their business. To me these things are night and day.
SO much false equivalence here, but the most important distinction is that it was at the behest of the US government that Kimmel was silenced. No matter who it was or what was said, this is not only not okay, it’s deeply illegal. Nothing of the sort was remotely the case with Gina Carano.
And you can prove that? Because if you can, then its pretty easy to sue and win as that would be extremely illegal. So, the evidence of that is… Oh wait, there isnt any. Its just that Carr said stuff, and people think that means something. But it doesnt. As there would be no way to enforce it legally. Thats why there is no official “order”.
Its not false equivlence, its the same fucking thing. You just dont like it because its outing you for what you are, a culture war weirdo who gets off on this constant and needless drama.
And not for nothing, but Gina Carano was getting rape and death threats because she wouldnt change put her pronouns on her bio. That was what prompted her to make the comparison to the atmosphere that nazis created around Jewish people. When the same thing happened to Laura Bailey because she was the voice of Abby in the Last of us part 2, there was public outrage. But for some reason, its totally fine that Gina got rape and death threats because she was a moron that spouted dumb maga nonsense… Yeah, no. No one should be getting rape and death threats, just like no one should be getting murdered, and no one and I mean fucking no one, should be allowed to keep a platform that they use to corrupt or mislead the public. The only issue I have with Kimmel being taken off the air, is that hes not even close to be the only one who does it. Fox News, which I know you will agree with me on, has been doing that shit for years. They need to be held to account as well. More in fact.
At the end of the day, its all a fucking circus. A soap opera played out in easily digestible clickbait headlines that no one ever reads beyond. We believe screen shots from twitter uploaded on to imgr and reposted on reddit before being reposted on twitter again, as long as they align with our narrative. But when someone posts a link to a source discounting that random twitter post, all of sudden everyone is hyper critical of believing random news articles and you need “better” sources, like any source would actually change anyones mind once its made up.
The whole thing is a fucking shit show, and the fact that you are all saying the same things, word for word in some cases, is fucking hilarious to me. You can either see this information for what it is, and revaluate your relationship to social media and have a serious look at what its doing to you, or you can just call me a cunt, hit that downward facing arrow and be on you merry way, confident in the knowledge that you put a “fascist” in his place… The choice is yours, chief. If nothing else, I hope you have a great weekend. Even if you do end up calling me a cunt lol. Take care.
isn’t there a difference between a president actively pursuing a firing of someone based on their free speech, vs a company deciding to do it for any reason other literal government coercion? if disney decides someone is fired because they think the court of public opinion is going to result in a negative financial impact, that’s pretty different from the president of the country calling for his firing even if there’s a percentage of the population who called for their firing.
pretty sick of the false equivalencies between the government applying influence, and private corporations deciding actions based on what they deem profitable. neither are based on morals, but the government is supposed to be the one curtailing this shit, not fanning the flames.
that said, i do think i agree with you partly, if i read this correctly, in that people should absolutely be ready to be punched in the face if they hold a contentious opinion. a lot of shitheads would be shutting the fuck up a lot more if nazis got punched more often instead of being praised. if being not-fascist becomes a contentious opinion, you can be sure as shit i’ll be ready to be punched in the face for standing up against racist fuckhead nazis
What influence? Carr is toothless, thats why he made a public statement. To “look” hard. But he had nothing to use against Disney, because as you are all pointing out, it would be illegal as fuck. But hey, Kimmel can sue if this is the case. All he has to do is prove it.
But the point isnt that the stars perfectly align, the point is that the talking points are the same. You are saying the very same things, and dismissing whatever you dont agree with. Gina, Rosanna, Johnny, Jimmy, it doesnt matter. The points of view are the same, they just come from different angles based on what your politics is. Thats the joke, IMO.
Not the same animal. Carano is part of a franchise marketed to all age ranges but is very popular with children. Star Wars is a huge cash cow for Disney, and despite Disney being it’s own kind of tyrant, it does give a fuck about its image to families of all kinds. Everyone with half a brain knows this.
Kimmel is late night TV for adults in which political commentary is par for the course. That’s it. No more no less.
One got fired because a company didn’t like what an employee said while very much a public figure for that organization, the other was just doing what they’re supposed to do and the government got them fired. One is a clear violation of the First Amendment, the other is collecting an unemployment check.
Bro, you get your bread ration from Russia for writing all this bullshit, fuck off
I would love for Colbert Report to come back.
Same!
Tangentially, I had a hilarious debate with someone several months ago who was convinced the Colbert Report version of Steven Colbert was just who he actually was, and somehow had a significant amount of difficulty understanding that it was a bit… despite how comically fucking obviously it’s a bit. Low key curious if I accidentally came across the guy who invited Colbert to W’s press correspondents gala all those years ago (and may I just say holy fuck his speech at that event was just… 👨🍳 💋 )
He talked about why he left at one point and this was part of it. Because even if he didn’t mean what he said there were still people that believed him.
A lot of conservatives actually believed he was as he was in the show.
Conservatives historically have never understood sub context, even if it jumps up and slaps them in the mouth.
I was a conservative when Colbert Report was on.
Can confirm. I believed he was a conservative.
Honestly curious. Did you ever watch a full episode of the show or multiple episodes of the show?
I watched it pretty regularly. It took longer than it should have for me to realize that it was a satire.
Maybe three seasons in?
Well, comedy is a sign of intelligence, so…
🤔
I was a conservative when Colbert Report was on and I thought it was obvious that it was a bit.
I seem to remember some study that seemed to indicate that conservatives tend to have a hard time understanding satire. It was around the same time as The Colbert Report being on the air.
You couple this with seeing that cons tend to have overly large/overly active amygdalas, and when you hear them saying that “liberalism is a mental disorder”, I think it’s yet another example of them projecting, since they seem to have certain mental disabilities.
We all have shadows that elude us that others see clearly. I seriously believe modern psychology should integrate that work more into standard CBT/RET.
That’s because they’re usually drunk off their ass or one of the grifters.
Hey! We alcoholics do not support any of this bullshit! Most of the times I’ve been drunk off my ass this year has been because of some shit being done by conservative grifters
Not all alcoholics are right wing shit heads, but all right wing shit heads are alcoholics (and/or stupid and/or a grifter).
It really is a shame we never got that left vs right drink off between Nixon and Hunter S Thompson
For what it’s worth, Bush knew it was a roast. Roasting the president is a traditional part of the press correspondents’ dinner (or was, before paper-thin-orange-skin became president). Earlier in that very same dinner, Bush did a bit roasting himself with a Bush impersonator.
Every so often, I used to go back and re-watch the entire thing. It was just so good.
I had to laugh when the “liberal media” was later spinning it the next day (and the hard right outlets like Faux and hate radio picked this up and used this spin - “see, even the liberal media says it was bad!”) as not that funny, it got hardly any laughs in the room, etc.
Yeah, NO SHIT many people in the room weren’t erupting in loud guffaws. He was making fun of YOU motherfuckers, too. Right to your smug little faces.
Just like Orange Jesus didn’t erupt into laughter when years later, Seth tore him a new one right to his face, as did Obama. Orange Jesus sat there, seething. Orange Jesus gave it 0 stars, boo, it was terrible, no more discussion. LOL.
I genuinely think Obama roasting Trump at the 2011 White House Correspondents’ Dinner changed the course of history
I doubt it. Orange Jesus was already blowing the racist bullhorn with all his birther bullshit and Obama’s election broke the brain of so many Angry White Males. They were bound to rally around someone like Orange Jesus when he ran…
Seth Meyers still apologizes for that, sarcastically of course, but it’s hilarious that enough people blame his joke for jumpstarting Trump’s campaign. Trump seething from his table while everyone around him cracks up is burned into my memory.
I’m sure it makes a convenient narrative for people to blame Seth for this.
Again, notice that it’s another example of Murc’s Law here, by the way: as a conservative, Taco has no agency, he was pushed into running by the nasty liberal cracking jokes and poor Taco just had no choice but to run to get revenge against Obama, against Seth, and against any American that doesn’t love everything related to Taco.
In any case, Taco had mulled running multiple times and even tried to run prior, and failed. All that birtherism stuff he was shoveling during Obama’s administration was likely his racist way of testing the waters for yet another attempt.
https://www.tvguide.com/news/donald-trump-presidential-campaign-timeline/
I would rather them do something substantive with their power than to continue to normalize right wing views.
That’s exactly what he does, dude.
It works well because MAGA doesn’t understand satire.
The Colbert Report did real work to normalize a specific right wing framing to politics. I don’t think of it as a net positive the way I do The Daily Show. It might have been satire and I too might have enjoyed it from time to time, but it was also part of a normalization of the “both sidesing” of things.
It is only both sidesing if you don’t understand satire. He is pretending to be a right-wing pundit but rephrasing what they say in such a way as to point out how bad the right-wing talking points are.
The fact is that this character played an role in normalizing this shift we saw, across the board, towards accepting this kind of right wing framing of politics. The fact that it was satire is irrelevant. The normalization is damage done.
Tbf, hindsight is 20/20.
No the fact is people like you are too dense to understand satire.
Lemmy seems to be more interested in worshiping its heroes than it is addressing their flaws.
Go look up what the word normalization means.
Nuh uh
Are you saying wingers didn’t accept this right wing framing of politics long before?
They were openly satirizing it. Was that somehow not obvious?
You really didn’t know the purpose of that show?
It’s funny I remember thinking something similar in Germany a long time ago, about another politician: all those humorists, cartoonists etc. mocking him are basically just helping this conservative asshole win. Whether I was even right about that is one thing, but there’s a huge difference:
He wasn’t threatening to crack down on every person against him or on every minority he chose, and he couldn’t have either because the system was working (at least way better than in the USA).
Also they were mostly joking about his bad English and love for fatty traditional foods. What Steven Colbert does is a bit different.
No, satire and such have an important place even in working democracies, but especially in a still young dictatorship.
Also: what really is Steven Colbert’s power? Can’t he effect much more doing exactly what he’s doing?
There are many ways to fight back. Don’t point your finger and say “you’re doing it wrong”. We’re on the same side after all.
Also: what really is Steven Colbert’s power?
Steven Colbert has enormous power, because they can move culture, which is what they did when they were normalizing a rightwing framing of politics. People like Colbert, and even more so since his moving on from the character in question, has the ability to reach people and change their minds in a way almost no other people do. Yes it was satire, but in the times where it was relevant, it acted as an analgesic to the real threat which conservatism, and the fascism it inevitably leads to. By treating it as something only worth mocking and not worth taking as a serious threat, it softened the corner on conservatism as a movement, leading directly to where we are now.
Political power extends from culture: Trump is the outcome of a right wing project to move the culture, and to a limited degree, Colbert contributed to that with his character.
There are many ways to fight back. Don’t point your finger and say “you’re doing it wrong”. We’re on the same side after all.
No. No your argument that we should self censure is part of the problem and mechanism that has resulted in the looming shadow of fascism taking over the planet. Colbert needs to have done better over the course of his career in understanding the impacts they had on culture and politics.
Satire is a means of leveraging humour to deliver often caustic criticism that might otherwise seem a bit on the nose. It’s been an effective tool of protest since at least the second millennium BC.
It’s your opinion that criticising conservatives through satire empowers them, but it’s a very questionable conclusion IMO.
A lot of court jesters, would -be poets, playwrights, prophets etc lost their lives…
It’s not Colbert’s fault that 75% of the country is too stupid to understand satire.
The Daily Show was also killing it last night. Jon’s Trump themed set was amazing.
Absolutely devastating
My god it was so gaudy it was brilliant
If Trump thinks this is genuine, then he really isn’t very bright.
Lots of conservatives thought the Colbert Report was genuine. My dad was one of them.
Can confirm, used to know people who watched it because they didn’t realize it was satire.
Also not being able to detect satire is supposedly telling.
Oh man, I remember going out to lunch at a company I was starting with, with two guys and they were debating if he was serious or not. They absolutely, genuinely weren’t sure, either one.
Otherwise seemingly bright guys.
All the conservatives crying that Colbert “went woke” when he moved to late night is one of my favorite TV memories. They really believed he was a counter to the daily show at the time, even when he was busy inventing words like “truthiness”
It’s wild how prescient the original Truthiness broadcast was when you look back. That concept effectively sums up a lot about how we got here
Prescient? More like republicans have been crooks and liars disregarding truth for a long damn time. Where’s the WMDs, Jr?
My ex-wife’s Fox News / Bill Orielly (and who was that guy who would put on glasses and cry?) loving dad was also one of them.
He used to applaud Comedy Central for being more balanced by adding him after The Daily Show…. Dumb as a brick.
Glenn Beck, you’re think of Glenn Beck. Ironically hearing his rhetoric as my dad watched was the first wake up call I got about the incoming fascism
I think the most over the top thing Colbert did on that show was the episode on the funeral industry.
Is it even really a colbert report revival if he didn’t talk about BEARS?
Can he do that? I thought another network had rights to the character, they even did a whole bit where they both show up on stage to differentiate them.
What are they gonna do, fire him?
Lawsuit?
Rofl
CBS and Comedy Central are both Paramount.
