I wonder how much interference is coming from other nations?

https://beehaw.org/post/19739290 sorry, I originally thought your comment was itt. ^

I wish! It’s more that the conservative spaces I went to had been tken over by libs posting lamf types of things. I really went to see if there was any common ground we could start to build bridges, but the liberals just ended up brigading, to show how rational they are. It’s several pages back in my post history and I have to get up early in the morning to help a neighbor who is suffering some pretty serious health issues, so I’m not looking through tonight.

I’ve absolutely not had those issues with neighbors, even the obviously racist ones. There are a couple of Elmo fans that I absolutely don’t trust, but that’s just because they’re doing too much, and a POC who votes djt because abortion, and the POC family who are illigetimately wealthy through legitimate means who voted for him who’s adult kid drives a swastitruck-- don’t trust them. The other Elmo fans are starting to come around and that’s great. I don’t rub it in their faces, because they’re good people, they were just also disenfranchised and looking for a bit of relief. We take each other food during illness or loss, a 20 pressed into a handshake or hug to preserve dignity.

Most anti-abortion here don’t vote on that issue or harass, most anti-lgbt+ don’t either. The more populous town an hour away would, though.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays

It was obvious every election cycle since FDR too. It’s past time for us to stop crossing oceans and moving mountains for those who won’t jump a puddle or molehill for us. Politicians, I mean. I’ll still cast my vote to help the “sane liberals”, conservatives, and marxists who would let me starve in the streets or drop dead in the fields while harvesting their food, or in their bathroom I may be cleaning at the time.

But if we vote/advocate third parties, or converse in conservative spaces or .ML, .Lemmygrad*, on Lemmy, we’re trolls or shills. 🤮

So playing this clip should be admissable evidence?

Of course you have no idea.

Were you the one saying that it’s okay if everyone in Gaza dies this month because of Trump coming to power and making things way worse for them, because it’s all the Democrats’ fault for not being good enough to vote for and that’s what’s really important?

URL.

I know what you’ve shown me.

https://kbin.earth/m/chat@beehaw.org/t/1270160/Brood-Parasitism-in-Leftist-Politics/comment/6448892#entry-comment-6448892

There’s your answer.

I’m not_trying_ to convince you. And your attitude that good people who would absolutely give you their last meal for days or literally stand in front of you to take a bullet that you may or not deserve are disposable lives certainly isn’t convincing me to vote Dem, because that’s the same contempt we get from them. You’re bougie lifestyle wouldn’t be possible if not for us, dropping dead with stage 4 cancer while we dig the wells for your summer homes, plow the fields for your organic corn, strawberries, lentils, or suffer cancers for the sprayed crops of conventionally grown foods while our skin blisters and weeps. Go pick your own damn cotton, harvest your own hemp, log your own trees and mill your own paper. One of my neighbor’s lives is worth a million of yours, because we know_compassion_.

Eta: let me see you throw those fat, juicy watermelons up on a truck in 100+ f heat. Without water until next 10 minute break. Or install the solar farms.

That’s pretty much it. Most of my rides have died due to preventable causes, and they were lifelong D voters. There’s one left and they’re not in great shape. The others are busy working several jobs and caring for children or elderly family members. We worked hard, even up to death, when jobs were available.

Since the left would generally be coming in with honest intent though at best they waste their time shouting into an established echo chamber, or worse get convinced that there’s a good middle ground to work towards.

I tried going to conservative spaces on Lemmy. The liberals wouldn’t allow any dialogue. Not the conservatives, the liberals.

You see this comment? https://lemmy.world/comment/16774478

That’s the attitude that drives away voters. Now, I do have a degree of higher education and thanks to the internet and not arrogant users who helped me continue informally learning, I’d say I’m decently literate, and well-informed. And that attitude in that comment pretty much guarantees I’m probably not voting D again in my lifetime, unless someone really in touch comes to be on my local ballot. The attitude in that comment is what many disenfranchised D voters have gotten from the last five national election cycles. I’m absolutely not voting R for the rest of my life either, but HRC, Biden, Harris and all the Democrat candidates when there were primaries did not inspire hope, let alone confidence. Sanders did, until the DNC routed him out and he rolled over for them that cycle and the next. The last time before that was Kucinich and he had reservation-causing concerns, but I would have voted for him and many of my friends would have, too. I voted Obama, not because I thought he was better, bit that he was less odious. Never. Again. If Democrats really want our votes, let them earn them. Cavorting with war criminals and their daughters while ignoring issues important to me ain’t it. And for the record, socially left and economically right isn’t left. We crave leftist candidates, socially, ecologically, and economically. It’s our money, give it to us.

Again, it takes money and transportation. If one is a city dweller, transportation may be easier. Rurally, not so much.

Water supplies, child slavery

The corporate Dem won and is still voting the Republican agenda. 🤷‍♀️

ETA: I would need funds to campaign and a means of travel. I also lack experience but am willing to learn. Suggestions?

I’m not sure about that. But we will absolutely vote third, if they offer a platform that doesn’t vote status quo or having no view record, advance a platform that offers us something tangible. If they betray us, we remember.

So here’s the thing, on my state ballot last November, I had TVs corporate Democrat who votes with the Republicans half the time (the time it matters), and a new Dem who could or would not articulate a platform for or against anything. Bet I voted third.

Maybe we want politicians who will actively work for us, economically as well as socially.

https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/

What about regular Toyota?