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Its so funny to see us Americans run around on the 1st. On one hand liberals hate hate speech and love to censor leftists and dislike all non-state violence. On the other hand, unlimited freedom of speech is the only thing protecting us from the dang Cheeto.
Meanwhile I’m over here thinking we should be shooting anyone heiling hitler. And I’m the bad guy??
No no, if they zig heil you’re clear to engage. Nazis are exempt from any creed of pacifism. Any act of violence against a Nazi is self defense.
If Jesus literally about to die, forgave the people actively killing him. Then you can forgive the people who may or may not be descendents, who lived 2000 after any of this took place. My guy begged God “forgive them father, for they know not what they are doing”.
The entire point of this is that fascists get to be openly antisemitic while accusing Jews of antisemitism. This is by design. Zionist antisemitism requires that any place outside of Israel becomes even less safe for Jews than a settler-colonial project in a constant state of war, and it needs to become really bad for that to work out.
well yes, but like seppos don’t have inbuilt anti-semitism (as compared to europe of early 20th century), it’s like they doing everything to portray zionist controlled government caricature (which, without going into imperialism, is hard to wave away, cause usa is bending backwards to isntreal)
seppos don’t have inbuilt anti-semitism (as compared to europe of early 20th century)
You should look up the newspaper that Henry Ford was publishing at that time.
oh, they were trying, but i mean that deep anti-semitic shit (as in pogroms/reconquista), not couple of industrialists getting mad at great depression. I don’t doubt ford or disney predilections (or fascist rallies, or nixon).
Yeah antisemitism is not a deep rooted ideology in the United States, at least not to the extent it is in Europe. It exists and has existed certainly, but not nearly like Europe
Honestly, sort of an aside, but the designer of the
flag explained in a letter once, that the reason he chose the X-shape (a saltire) for the flag, instead of the “normal” upright cross as found in the South Carolina secession flag that inspired the Confederate flag… Was specifically to avoid potential objections from “the Jews & many Protestant sects” over the use of a religious symbol. And that’ll just never not be funny to me? “Yeah I’m designing a flag for a settler-colonial state whose sole purpose is to preserve the reprehensible, moribund institution of keeping our fellow human beings as chattel, but like… I’m not an antisemite, OK?”Professional racists have standards, you wouldn’t get it
Oh, and by the way, in that same letter, William Porcher Miles wrote that the Confederate flag’s saltire represented “strength and progress” because the word saltire comes from the Latin for “I leap” — which, again, I can’t help but find ridiculously ironic, to characterize an entity whose sole purpose was to prevent progress as “progressive”.
avoid potential objections from “the Jews & many Protestant sects” over the use of a religious symbol
sounds kinda woke
Real “Break only one law at a time” vibes. Can’t be racist against everyone, one at a time!
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less safe for Jews than a settler-colonial project in a constant state of war, and it needs to become really bad for that to work out.
For instance, the former Soviet Union in the 1990s
apparently, conservative Christians can have a little antisemitism as a treat
The romans killed jesus. He was put to death by the Roman leader.
In the narrative we get jesus is accused by Jews (The pharisees) and brought to trial to be judged by Pontius Pilate who washes his hand of the affair leaving it to the Jews, they are then offered that either Jesus or someone else (I think Barnabas, but it’s been a while since I cared about biblical stuff) be spared and the Jews pick the other guy. The Romans are therefore seen as a tool by which the Jews kill Jesus by some, or at least partly guilty. I’m not advocating for this view, I’m explaining
I don’t know why this is contentious, the Bible is pretty clear on this - Jesus went through a religious trial and then they took him to the Roman governor to seek the death penalty.
The Roman governor questioned Jesus, shrugged and let a crowd [of Jews, as you would expect] decide whether Jesus or another bloke should be crucified.
The saying “live by the sword, die by the sword” comes in response to the Jewish religious ‘police’ chopping off the ear of a servant while arresting Jesus.
I would say technically god killed Jesus, but the Christian god started off a Jewish god so arguably still killed by Jews.
The people executed by the Spanish inquisition were not directly executed by the church/inquisition, they were handed off to the government to do that because it was the responsibility of the crown to carry out executions. No one would say that the church was not responsible for the executions.
I don’t think it’s contentious on the facts of the story, but rather the statement is a problem because it carries with it hundreds of years of people saying that all Jews are responsible for the actions of the religious authorities of Judea in the 1st century CE and therefore antisemitism is justified. This belief is commonly held and expressed by Christian antisemites, but is obviously wrong and bigoted, so people argue against it - the idea the Pontius Pilate is responsible for Jesus’ death is just a bad argument, you might as well blame Herod who had the opportunity to punish/pardon Jesus but opted to send him back to Pilate.
Yeah wait, where does this idea even come from? Judas’s betrayal or something?
Either something about the Pharisees, aka the Jewish Evangelists, pulling Roman strings or that they set a murderer free instead of Jesus.
I don’t get it, because the whole point of Jesus existence is to be tortured and killed for the sins of humanity, so all may be forgiven and go to heaven.
Not killing Jesus would have meant eternal damnation for all.
Once again, Christians who shout the most about Christianity understand Christianity the least.
Jews brought Jesus to the Romans in the bible. Jewish religious authorities asked the Romans to judge and kill him. The idea is then that for this sin the Jews are forever guilty. Sort of like an extra ethnic original sin. Judas does get roped into some antisemitism stuff, but usually not the biblical stuff since all the disciples were Jews.
Genuinely most of the biblical reasoning I’ve seen used is that when Pilate says ‘I wash my hands of you’ it made the Pharisees responsible even though it was still Roman soldiers who did it, and that is not even close to how sin and blame works in either Judaism or Christianity
I think you’ll find that original sin fits perfectly within a Christian framework
mfw the zionist project cannot exist without sustained antisemitism in the west to justify its existence
the antisemitism awareness act is about raising awareness of antisemitism and everyone already knows that the evangelical christian nationalists are antisemitic so of course there’s an exception just for them. checkmate empathy sinners
so does some damp
suppose ‘jews killed Jesus’ even means anything? do they think he was a christian? i don’t even understand the slur. am i hurting myself trying to understand something beyond understanding?I’m hearing my family now: "Of course Jesus was Christian! What else would he be? It’d make no sense for him to be in hell. Adam and Eve were Christian too. And Noah and Abraham, and … "
And what else would my family say, well like PKMKII hinted at, if you asked my them about Jesus’ death, they would have no problem giving you a contradictory and fucked up message like: “it was good that Jesus died for our sins (why exactly did he have to, never thought about it), but it was also evil that the jealous Jews did it because they disagreed with Jesus. In fact, that’s what a Jew is you see. Before year 0, everyone was Christian or Pagan. And the people who heard Jesus but rejected him became Jews.”
And yes, they do think that the old testament figures were Christian.
It’s a confused and nonsensical logic because it is both good that Jesus died, but also it happened because Jews rejected him and they did thay because they are bad.
You’re expecting reason from people who don’t have any. Just replace every thought with nonsense and hatred and you can start to understand how they think.
i’ve never cared about it particularly to find out (because i don’t think it’s a sin and i don’t enjoy being well actually nerd), but what would they say that to “jesus knowingly gone to his death, which is suicide”
Hmm. Idk. But that gives me some good ideas for when I visit them this summer!
getting interest on loans is also sinful
Tried that one before, they just hit me with Jesus was a small business owner (carpenter duh) who played the stock market
and church was unaware of that “fact” for 1700 years?
that’s very interesting reading of parable of talents, which actually says do shit for god, dipshit, and don’t sit on your ass with your talant hidden in a sandUm aktually you’re wrong
God wants you to be rich and invest. And the more you invest the closer to God you are. Everything is literal, and commies want you to hate Jesus and money
I think they would probably just contest that logic, as that also would inherently define a huge amount of martyrs as being bound for hell, as well as a lot of da troops and shit like that.
troops are in hell for another reason. nah, obviously theology has answers to this (probably something something will of the father being separate), but i meant more weird american christiansm who take some parts of the bible literally, and some ignoring completely.
thank you for the write up. i figured it was dumb but i don’t want to fall in to the trap of assuming that of things i myself am ignorant on. thanks again for explaining
There isn’t much to explain, or at least it doesn’t seem that way with any fundy I’ve encountered. Some are “smart” in their own twisted way and have theological justifications, but the large majority are not like that. Most just believe in this strange nonsense and never think thay deeply about it. And thats fine, most people are like that with any religion, they got other things to focus on in life. But I’ve found that if the fundy types do “think” about it then it is in such a strange and twisted way that digging into it gives you psychic damage. No need to give them any benefit of the doubt.
Jesus dying for our sins is a good thing, but it’s also really bad that some Jews had a tangential part in it (also
get a pass on killing Jesus for reasons).and I’m sure askin folk about those inconsistencies is not welcomed…
ok it’s just good ol hate, don’t look too deep! cool cool
And also if I had my AR-15 on that day in Jerusalem, Jesus wouldn’t have died.
Even before you test the voracity of the statement:
Can a Jew stop having killed Jesus? No, it’s something they inherit.
Can a Jew stop doing genocide? Yep! You do not inherit the actions you take on Earth or anywhere else you physically move yourself.
That’s why one of those is worse than the other in general. Are you judging someone for their inheritance or their actions?
chaser from texasTexas will NOT tolerate antisemitism
Then why is American, and by extension, Texan culture so fashy?
Yeah, America is 4chan the country, but Texas is its fucking /pol/ equivalent.
Increasing awareness of antisemitism by doing antisemitism seems like a great plan!
My
ass: “Act natural…”This is like signing a stop antisemitism bill but having a clause that the happy merchant meme is ok.
These genocidal congress fuckers are taking the piss
