So I had researched it a while ago and don’t recall having found anything effective and non-suspicious to protect from public camera mass survaillence in cities and the like. Is there anything that is a good option for that yet, and if so, could you point me toward it?
You learning how to make other people directly around you care. Start with the easy stuff, like helping them leave WhatsApp and Discord.
Handheld scanning infrared laser, 5 to 50 watts Basically laser-clean the sensor out of existence
5 to 50 watts
And blinding everyone around you too!
You’re going to need a rather tight beam to hit that camera and it will only for milliseconds. It would take really bad luck to hit someone continuously long enough through a reflection (drastic reduction in power level by then) to damage their eyesight, plus camera optics are not very reflective of infrared as they need it for night vision, so they’re especially sensitive. But yes, this should be treated with the seriousness of a gun.
You know cameras have an IR filter during the day right.
Even a 1 watt laser will still have enough power after the filter to knock that sensor’s clock right out.
Or just use a red laser, they’re even cheaper, if less discrete.
At that point I’d just spray paint them. Much safer, easy to buy in cash, and I assume it costs a lot to send someone to clean it up
Sure if you have a drone but it’s not nearly as discreet as a fiber+ lens in your sleeve
they do record, so it will be quite obvious which person suddenly starts looking like a star in the footage.
How are you going to spray paint a camera 20ft up?
Drone, paintball gun, chainsaw, fire
Yeah if that isnt noticed or jammed and traced back to you. Infra lasers are the way to do it with little “noise” and cant be jammed.
In the past, individuals have cut down red light and speed cameras using power saws. Are you suggesting a laser would be easier to just burn the pixels of the camera? Wouldn’t that be dangerous for people around you?
Yes, it is dangerous even the reflections off the camera could be dangerous. This requires the same awareness of others as handling a laser cleaner.
Here is an article about using a pulse laser to blind a camera sensor
https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/physics/articles/10.3389/fphy.2024.1345859/full
where do i find me one of those
electronics and industrial supply places, you can rip it off a diode based laser cutter but they’re very chonk, if you’re handy, you’d get just the diodes, lens and then make your own PCB with powersupply. You need adjustable because the light has to be in focus at the distance between you and the camera or else it will be to diffuse to disable the sensor, both too short and too far. You don’t really need a galvo head in this case just mount the pcb on something that can randomnly vibrate the laser in a small radius at the effective distance. You won’t be able to hit the camera sensor steady, you need to paint over it randomnly, with the right focus it will work even on rare occasionnal hits since those sensor are very sensitive to laser light
Just add adruino with a distance sensing laser to point it it first to have it adjust focal length of the dangerous laser.
Yes that makes sense, the range finding sensor from an old cell phone should do nicely.
You can 3d print a geared lens barrel for small M12 lens quite easily.
Just map the values to real gear position and bingo’s your uncle !
There is no effective technical solution for political problems. If you find one, it will soon be outlawed or rendered ineffective (eg if you wear mask and sunglasses, prepare to be harassed by law enforcement). Lobbying to stop unconstrained surveillance is the only option.
If there is no other option than lobbying then there is no real option. The public has rarely ever effectively lobbied for their interests.
may i suggest revolution?
Press forward
I wouldn’t be so pessimistic. When more people personally experience survelliance abuse, things will get interesting.
I think the public is staggeringly bad at advocating for their own interests.
May I suggest revolution?
Came here to suggest that. We need to gather sentiment
Are there any AES countries without mass surveillance though? Honest quesion.
Revolution doesn’t have to recreate the currently existing systems in other parts of the world. Every social order was brand new at some point.
While I agree, it seems a little ironic given your username
…No? Communism is the brand new social order I’m talking about that is yet to come about.
You need to own a few copies of face recog software, and practice with face restructuring latex makeup which gives you a new realistic face with a new bone structure.
Change walking gate. Get shoes with small platforms to change height, learn to walk naturally on those.
Change mannerisms.
It’s doable, but a major pain to pull it off.
Like imagine quickly applying the latex makeup, walking in front of your own identical face recognition camera at home, take everything off, rest, repeat, 10 times a day, 300 days a year, for 10 years. Until it is second nature. Now you can rely on this to do serious work.
You have to create a new person, basically. Assuming you practiced well and tested everything against real software, you can now be a different person for some hours in a reliable way. Once your secondary identity is exposed you’ll need a new tertiary identity. Never do anythiny fishy as your base identity.
The real solution is political, like everyone else has said. Because you won’t be able to fool the system casually without a massive effort and practice, practice, practice on your own property first, before you rely on this for real work in the wild.
It depends on the surveillance coverage. If it’s widespread enough, they can track you between your departure and arrival locations. You’d also need two more disguises for both entering and exiting.
And of course, if you have a cell phone on you that pings anything, the jig is up.
Horse mask should work
Gorilla mask. Or one of those 6 foot tall bunny costumes. Or uncle sam ala carnivals a hundred years back.
Covid masks can be effective, and it’s not as suspicious as asymmetrical makeup or a reflective hoodie. But no, there’s no good way to avoid being photographed in public.
I read somewhere they they can identify you typically with about 35% of your face.
Mask and sunglasses? Then put random things in your shoe everyday to change your gait?
Yeah, a high-res image giving the position of ears, eyes, and nose is damning.
ears and eyes alone give you a shocking amount of identifyability. We’re getting real fucking close to the CSI levels of facial identification.
Who knew my sensory issues having ass was relatively safe all along between my noise cancelling over ears, sunglasses and COVID masks
You’ll still have to be careful they’re targeting people with sensory issues and neurodivergence next.
I’m not American, but yeah I’m staying vigilant
I hope to hell we’re not infectious, but I worry for everyone, everywhere, eventually. I’m afraid we’re just ahead of the curve.
glasses and face masks it is then
IR blocking sunglasses are the simplest and most practical solution.
Facial recognition systems compare the distance ratios between your eyes and nose primarily. Hiding your eyes is very effective towards fucking that up. A mask alone is typically not enough.
Sunglasses alone are not enough either. Modern face recognition tech is way better than just distance ratios
Got any further info about these more advanced methods?
I haven’t seen anything beyond the feature distance models. I have seen the models that essentially recreate you entire anatomy in 3D, place it in a database, then use that profile to match to in the future–almost like a 3D match move artist would do for visual effects. Not sure if this is just a proof of concept though.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the millimeter wave scanners at airports have been collecting 3D models of us for this database over the last decades.
Lemon juice? /s
context, for the unaware
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Greater_Pittsburgh_bank_robberies
I’ve never seen an explanation as to why the guy thought that the lemon juice would work. Did someone tell it to him that or did he come up with it himself.
Younger me recalls (incorrectly) that they used lemon juice on the film in the first Star Wars movie, as a special effect to blur the base of the land speeder so it appeared to be hovering. They actually used vaseline, smeared on the lens, not the film, plus had mirrors under the vehicle too. I had told this lemon juice ‘fact’ to several people before someone finally corrected me.
My memory was wrong and I wonder how I came to that conclusion. Maybe I watched a ‘behind the scenes’ show on how they did the special effects, and they said it wrong. Maybe it was a show that presented the use of lemon juice in some other tangentially related special effect and I mixed the two up. Maybe I had read an article about using lemon juice to distort picture film in the developing process.
I wonder if that bank robber did the same mistake but with far worse consequences. The time frame of the robbers mistake was around the same time as my confusion as well.
I’m thinking it’s a conflation with a basic “invisible ink” made with lemon juice.
You write a message in lemon juice on paper where the juice dries clear, then heat the paper to darken the juice and make the message legible.
Thanks for sharing, what an amazing read^^
Mask, sunglasses (and glasses that block IR), slight deviations in movement patterns, and GETTING OUT OF THE CITY.
Artillery strikes on the data centers
A hammer?
mask with dark sunglasses or a ski mask with dark sunglasses
For surveillance cams:
Cover them up and destroy them with drones.
Mask or neck gator, dark shades, toboggan hat or head scarf/wrap that covers your ears. Ears are just about as identifiable as fingerprints.
wouldn’t want to be mistake for ice tho
Long hair also.
