Not everything is black or white.
How does buyeuropean even suggest any stance towards anything happening in West Asia?
Edit: i just wanted to snark at weird people in the OP and i didn’t think this would be somehow controversial. i’m on your and palestine’s side but i’m in no mental shape for this discussion and trying to explain what i mean further so i’m out.
Because boycotts are a relevant and powerful tool and part of being a thoughtful consumer is being educated on the ethics of the companies you’re monetarily supporting. That would be my guess anyway.
I don’t disagree at all, I just don’t see the connection between being a thoughtful consumer and any opinion on what Israel is doing in Palestine whatsoever. Those are two different things in my mind. I am very open to being educated.
Well, if business does… well, business with countries or other organizations actively involved in crimes against humanity - it really should affect their most prized possession in a negative way - the profit margins.
In Europe it should come down to inspecting individual companies for their conduct and judging how ethical it is - on a scale from Nestle to ethical.
So, for example, if company didn’t pull out from Israel (or Russia back in '22) - that’s a point in Nestle direction.
If you want to be a thoughtful consumer, it means you got to be thinking about something more than just the price and your perceived use of a product.
There must be some ethical consideration that also influences your purchase. So we need to talk about which ethical considerations are important and not aiding and abetting Israeli crimes through financing their economy or companies that provide them with arms or other military use items, is a quite important ethical consideration.
It is also a legal obligation as the ICJ ruled https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/186/186-20240719-adv-01-00-en.pdf:
- Taking note of the resolutions of the Security Council and General Assembly, the Court is of the view that Member States are under an obligation not to recognize any changes in the physical character or demographic composition, institutional structure or status of the territory occupied by Israel on 5 June 1967, including East Jerusalem, except as agreed by the parties through negotiations and to distinguish in their dealings with Israel between the territory of the State of Israel and the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967. The Court considers that the duty of distinguishing dealings with Israel between its own territory and the Occupied Palestinian Territory encompasses, inter alia, the obligation to abstain from treaty relations with Israel in all cases in which it purports to act on behalf of the Occupied Palestinian Territory or a part thereof on matters concerning the Occupied Palestinian Territory or a part of its territory; to abstain from entering into economic or trade dealings with Israel concerning the Occupied Palestinian Territory or parts thereof which may entrench its unlawful presence in the territory; to abstain, in the establishment and maintenance of diplomatic missions in Israel, from any recognition of its illegal presence in the Occupied Palestinian Territory; and to take steps to prevent trade or investment relations that assist in the maintenance of the illegal situation created by Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory
Now the ICJ ruled on the obligation of states, but the underlying principle is clear. If the states are obliged “to prevent trade or investment relations that assist in the maintenance of the illegal situation created by Israel…”, the trade itself is illegal.
I don’t see the connection either. Some people are just obsessed with certain topics.
Gonna copy my comment here as well
Europe is a major buyer of goods produced in Occupied Palestine. The Occupation regime of west palestine gets material support for their ongoing genocide through tariffs and taxes on these products. Buying products labelled “made in Israel [sic]” materially supports the murder and systematic starvation of children.
Further a lot of “made in europe” products source their stuff from occupied palestine, please refer to https://bdsmovement.net/ if you want to help cut off aid to the genocidal entity.
Also yeah, I think its ok to be “obsessed” with an ongoing genocide especially when it seems like everyone around me seems to have forgotten that currently there are kids being maimed, starved and shot. It’s maddening as a parent to see everyone just go about their daily lives as if nothing was happening.
So you are ok with monetarily contributing to genocide?
… What.
Many companies globally are active participants in the ethnic cleansing and genocide of Palestine either through direct support or partnerships. The BDS Movement exists for a reason.
Yes. I know. I’m not making myself clear.
I don’t think trying to be a thoughtful consumer necessarily implies any opinion in regards to Palestine. One does not follow from the other.
Of course, I personally do think it makes sense to also support Palestinians and want the IDF to fuck off out of there - because that’s my opinion so obviously I think it makes the most sense (why else would that be my opinion). But I’m very certain there are people who want to consume thoughtfully and also support Israel (and there is no contradiction in this that I can see). Again, not me.
All I’m saying is that these are separate things that don’t affect each other (at least not directly). I don’t understand how the people in OP’s post come to the conclusion that buyeuropean=zionist. I also wouldn’t understand if they concluded buyeuropean=non-zionist (but it would make a bit more sense to me personally because I’m biased towards my own opinion, as is everyone).
Perhaps I’m misunderstanding something somewhere. The original post seems to be saying, “don’t assume just because we support buying European we support Israel/Zionism”.
Movements that lean towards buying local often have a political leaning as well, I know that’s often the case in the US anyway that they lean right-wing (but not always like many union workers who support buying domestically but lean left).
I think the post is, “yeah we support X movement but we also support Y. Don’t assume you’re welcome here with that bullshit.” Which we’re on Lemmy, so it makes perfect sense a “buy local” movement would not support Zionism and modern settler colonialism.
Why is it not ok to buy from the US but it is ok to buy from an occupation regime that is currently starving, maiming and shooting children? Genuinely curious, the occupation regime of west palestines evil is way more out in the open than the US’s.
I assume because most European countries have, at least until very recently, been staunch supporters of Israel.
Same for the US though, no?
I assume most people coming to “buy European” are either not American, considering the primary purpose of this Community is to avoid buying American…
Well yes, but “I don’t want to buy American but European instead and the reason is that Europe supports Israel” would be a weird stance because the US too has been supportive of Israel historically, regardless of where people are from.
That’s not how I read the OP. It was more “I want to buy European, but I’m wary that by doing it I might continue to support Israel.”
I would prefer my dollars go to the most ethical countries sure.
- your Euros
Disclaimer that I’m not from the EU, but it’s a financial union, so does it really make a difference?
Edit: does it make a difference which EU country is supported, not whether personal consumption choices matter
The primary purpose of this community is to buy European.
I would’ve thought that was obvious.
Except for of course, all the European countries who have recognized Palestina as a country.
What a great bunch of heroes. It only took 50k death
Europeans are such twats about it…
Did something decades too late then huge pats on the back
Same thing with ukraine war and privacy.
We got gdpr so we good in privacy… As their clown regimes ram chat control up their asses.
I am sure they will issue stern comments while selling weapons for the genocide.
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Yes the colonized can free themselves by making peace with the colonizer 🙄, see for example: the us, canada, australia, south africa.
Russia
Huh?
Because we send weapons there? You can either be isolationist OR sell guns, not both
Israeli do “buy europeans” all rightL https://www.ontheditch.com/weapons-worth/
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From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!
***Edit: Context was added. Original text was just the first half.
Both groups use this slogan. You may want to add context when you use it.
Thats actually true fair point
I found out the hard way. Just trying to pay it forward.
For context Likud was the first party that dethroned the so-called “labor” party in 1977. Prior to that the “labor” party would always lead the regime. The liKKKud platform at the time had as its first point:
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform-of-the-likud-party
The destruction of the palestinian people was always part of their plan.
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woah calm down there
They got a timeout period for engaging in unnecessary hostility.
I don’t blame them for being upset. I wish more mods used the timeout instead of going straight to the nuclear option as seen in other spaces.
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That’s the user I originally commented to. Quit ragebaiting.
*knight.
A white night would be a truly terrifying sight.
In northern Norway, that is most nights from October to April.
TBH anybody who forces this issue into every single political discussion is probably just trying to form a schism.
So, .ml is trying to form a schism is what you’re saying lmao
Hey look, the whole denialist is there. Is goat coming too?
I saw this popp up in comment sections of memes, video games or even cute animal pictures. It’s shit stirring.
Well that’s kinda how genocide and pedophile issue be…
People big mad so it seeps into everything since both will continue without any recourse.
Zionists should be made to feel excluded from every space, public and private. You should bring up Palestine constantly in every place at all times and ruthlessly bully and combat anyone with anything less than support for the full dissolution of the Israeli state and support for all forms of resistance.
It’s only a schizm because people like you stayed hell-bent on supporting genocide.
I mean, you voted for one.
Fuck Israel, genocidal scum!
Wrong place here
Why? Israelis do “buy european”
Europe is a major buyer of goods produced in Occupied Palestine. The Occupation regime of west palestine gets material support for their ongoing genocide through tariffs and taxes on these products. Buying products labelled “made in Israel [sic]” materially supports the murder and systematic starvation of children.
Further a lot of “made in europe” products source their stuff from occupied palestine, please refer to https://bdsmovement.net/ if you want to help cut off aid to the genocidal entity.
Israel is included in Eurovision and the European Union includes Asian land within its borders so it’s relevant to discuss how we want to steer this ship.
No it’s not. That the ebu invites Israel and Australia is just idiotic.
They’re involved in the organization and Cyprus is geographically situated in Asia paving the door for “Israel to join” that some individuals are proposing.
Cyprus is located on the Eurasian tectonic Plate, mate.
And with your logic, it would also pave the door for every other Asian country, not just Israel. So why are you so focused on them?
There is no such thing as europe anyway. It’s just a racist concept the white have made up to distinguish themselves from yellow and brown people. How come the Ural is a continental boundary and the alps, the andes, the rockes aren’t? Bitch please
Bit of an assumption.
The earliest notions of Europe as a continent are from a time where your neighbors who speak a slightly different dialect are the worst scum imaginable. Racism didn’t even exist (since races did not exist in anyone’s mind), xenophobia against everyone who dared to live right next to you was where all discrimination was based on.
We’re talking 600 BCE for the concept of Europe and Asia as separate geographical regions to emerge.
I appreciate your contributions however we must keep this thread civil.
It’s actually located outside of it. Israel is geographically close to Cyprus.
In what way is the door paved?
You know what I’m saying.
No I don’t, and I don’t mean your mangled idiom but the intention behind it.
How does Cyprus or Australia being part of the EBU pave the road to Israel becoming a member of the EU?
I’m talking about Cyprus being in the european union.
Belgian here.
The corrupted socialist party have been surprisingly strong on the matter. The rest of them are willing to give lip service, but they don’t care much about genocide victims.
On the street though most people are against genocide
They use the word “will” a lot in that article and “caveats” a few times. So perhaps Belgium will make it to onto that list but with some caveats.
The caveats seem to be around the administrative stuff, like setting up an embassy. Being afaict the first western country to put any noteworthy sanctions on Israel deserves a place at the top of the list, IMO.
The Belgian foreign minister, however, said the recognition would only be formalised once the last captive has been released from Gaza and “Hamas no longer has any role in managing Palestine”.
Those are caveats.
Israel will face 12 sanctions from Belgium
That’s promising, but there is that word “will” again. So perhaps they “will” earn a place on that list but not yet.
Am Israel Chai 🇮🇱
Settler 🤮
