government owning the means of production?
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Not socialism.
There’s a different word for that, unless you think the American government represents the working class.
Everyone calling this socialism is a moron
Care to elaborate?
Socialism is workers owning the means of production. Not the government. The government can be fucking anything and it (or the people controlling it) profiting from owning a company isn’t socialism by itself.
It’s fine and all to talk about a worker’s government but is that what you would call a Trump presidency? The American government at any point in its history? Will literally ONE FUCKING DOLLAR of Intel profit go to a worker from this?
They’re cutting social services and expanding the power of the surveillance state. Just think for one goddamn second about function instead of form, I’m begging you people.
Could call it national socialism.
Boycot Intel? Okay, you got it!
Already buying AMD. Nothing personal, AMD CPUs are just better, faster, more efficient and easier to upgrade.
While I don’t trust this administration in the slightest this isn’t unprecidented:
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In 2009 he U.S. government took an initial 9.85% ownership stake in Chrysler as part of the company’s bankruptcy restructuring. The government later sold its stake to the Italian automaker Fiat in 2011, exiting its investment completely.
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As part of the auto industry bailout in 2008 and 2009, the government received a 60.8% equity stake in GM. The government sold its final shares in 2013.
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American International Group (AIG): In its bailout, the U.S. government provided roughly $182 billion in aid and at one point held an almost 80% stake in the insurer. The government sold its last shares in 2012, ultimately making a profit.
Yeah, it’s one of the smarter things the US government has done, especially considering the impact a bankruptcy would have on the economy.
The loss of intel, its facilities and staff, would be a pretty hard blow.
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Better for intel than not receiving $8B at all. It can avoid spending it on Ohio plant without upsetting politicians if no one wants to use Ohio made chips. But its not as though telecom companies ever faced real consequences for pocketing “rural broadband subsidies”.
The best part about this, is political campaigns surrounded on confiscatory nationalization of climate terrorists and zionazi first political party influence is normalized.
isnt intel kinda dying with the latest fiasco with thier chips.
Funny thing is, their GPU division is making fine products especially in the bang-for-buck consumer category and their Wi-Fi modules are good. Weirdly enough, because driver and API support for the GTX-10 series cards is starting to age out, I’m considering putting an Intel GPU in a system with an AMD CPU for my HTPC.
The CPU side of the business is totally screwed though; they’ve been doomed since someone at AMD first said the word “Ryzen.”
Their networking cards are great too. They just can’t come up with any answer to Ryzen.
i see.
OpenAI next. You don’t want AI but you will pay for it in taxes.
Reminds me of the Dictator/Couper Park Chung Hee in South Korea. At the time government subsidies propped up South Koreas economy. But Park was directly commanding military before, in difference to Trump.
My government, picking winners and losers?
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Funny, when Europe does this, it’s called “socialism”.
Can you imagine the screams of, “COMMUNISM!!!” If Obama or Biden had done this. It’s all we would hear about for an entire election cycle. Fox “News” would play it nonstop.
Didn’t Obama do it for GM and a bunch of other companies as part of a bailout package for a period of time?
So did Bush. It’s only bad when their enemies do it. It’s righteous and just when they do it.
So if I’m reading that right they set for $700 billion worth of purchase during the Bush admin, it got reduced to 426.4 billion by 2014 and they claimed they made $15.3 billion. It sounds like they made a 3.5% gain on their investment total. A win! Yay… Only if you ignore the fact that if that money went in from 2009-2024, the money averages out on inflation to have been worth 481.29 billion. A loss of $12.15 billion dollars if they would have done anything else with it.
Overall I wouldn’t be mad that they wasted that money if they had focused on structuring the company moving forward in a manner that wouldn’t end up supporting a wealth divide moving forward. The CEO “only” had a salary of $2.1 million in 2024. Which actually sounds mildly alright. Yet her take home was $29.5 million when they got done throwing stocks and bonuses at her. That’s after GM stock started 2024 at $55.50… and ended the year at $35.64.
So the company lost ~36% of its “worth” and she got more than 13x her salary in stock and bonuses.
I was wondering recently if the idea of opportunity cost is the same for governments that can print their own money versus all other entities. I’m not entirely clear on how the that automaker bailouts were financed but would that money even have existed if they hadn’t used it for the bailout? It’s not like the government was going to create that amount of money and put it in a savings account.
A more appropriate way to look at it might be whether the money earned more than it cost the government to service the debt. IIRC servicing government debt is not inflation-adjusted, so it’s probably more informative to compare it to the cost of the debt not inflation adjusted-growth.
But this gets pretty weird since it’s not how finance works for entities that cannot print their own money.
Ah but a bailout package is different. That’s a display of powerful capitalism. A private company so powerful it can’t be allowed to fail and a government so strong it won’t allow it to fail.
It was Bush just before he left office.
Yes, but it’s not socialism we’re seeing. It’s fascism. Fascism also has state control of private industry. For a different purpose.
And when China and Arab states do it, it’s something to aspire.
Yes and no. In this context, it’s more of a shakedown-sorta thing.
Seems like the government owning private industry might stray into the socialism thing thy hate. Why not do this with something more important like healthcare? Republicans are hypocrites.
We’ve always had communism for the rich and cutthroat capitalism for the working class
Our healthcare system in the US is Socialism, only the government funds the corporations with subsidies, not paying outright for the citizens. It’s a man in the middle system where they stick a middle finger up your ass to get money from you three times. With taxes, with insurance, and with actual medical care.
It’s only socialism when democrats do it.
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Healthcare could help, that’s good socialism. Intel is profits and power and control for the sake of it. That’s bad socialism.
That way when things fuck up they can point and go SEE SEE IT DOESNT WORK! WE TRIED IT AND IT MADE THINGS WORSE!!
and if it somehow does manage to help or improve things they can now claim they did something smart and take all the credit.
Well, no. In this case it’s probably Intel is collapsing I assume, and they’re the only CPU producer native to the US. It’d be a really bad thing strategically to let them fail, so they should be nationalized.
Yeah, but then poor people would use it.
If you ask, they’ll tell you it’s different for ‘essential services’. It’s the same excuse they use for the farm handouts.
Or the rental market…
Because healthcare would help you
Uhhh, so much for the free market Republicans spent decades championing
The market would be freer if it wasn’t dominated by a couple capitalist megacorpos. So nationalisation doesn’t mean less freedom, although neolib propaganda would love you to think so.
beat me to it
They’ll run it into the ground regardless.
Well, yeah, they always do. Republican admins always leave the economy in the shitter and saddle the nation up with debt so that the incoming Democratic admin has to spend all of their time bringing the economy back up to speed rather than implementing effective reform.
They aren’t interested in effective reform either. Biden had chances to tax billionaires, or to imprison Trump. But yes they are better at handling the economy.
The “smartest people in the country” cant do two things at once?
And then Fox runs nonstop debt fear mongering and blaming democrats for the fiscal irresponsibly of the republicans
Wow. Throw 16M people off health care, then invest the ‘savings’ in corporations. HEy, Intel, how do you like your blood money?
Heck, as long as they keep being good competition for AMD so they don’t become complacent, they can get the souls of the damned as payment for all I care.
I don’t think the souls of the damned are up for grabs, since, you know, they’re damned and all.
They are worth more
Historical evidence would seem to suggest that Intel very much do like their blood money I would imagine they would like some more please.
And so the current Intel chipset I have will be the last I ever own.
I feel like that should’ve already been a given when the 13th and 14th gen Core processors permanently kneecap themselves if they feel like it. But that’s just me.
Me too.
