It’s different because a camera didn’t need to generate enough carbon to burn down an acre of rainforest to take a single picture

Absolutely false. You can run AI locally and measure the energy use yourself. It’s the same as playing a 3d game.

Edit: It’s literally the same energy use as playing MarioKart on a Switch for 20 minutes.

https://www.qt.io/blog/examples-of-local-llm-usage

It isn’t self evident. Otherwise a movie director does not create art either because they only prompt.

Nor is AI art in college trivial because by you claimed the physical part of creating art isn’t the important part. You need to know all the basics in exactly the same way a photographer needs to know the basics.

Prompt engineering is not composition,

It is by definition. If you were an art director and told an assistant to move an apple a little to the left before you pushed a button, that’s no different than telling an AI to move an apple a little to the left before pressing a button.

As to AI only regurgitating preexisting art, I refer you to the Pop Art, Abstract Expressionism and Dada. There is no difference between telling someone to draw a beard and mustache on the Mona Lisa and telling an AI.

Kids are learning AI art in college. It’s no different than when kids started learning photography in college and actual artists opposed it.

“If photography is allowed to supplement art in some of its functions, it will soon supplant or corrupt it altogether, thanks to the stupidity of the multitude which is its natural ally.”

Charles Baudelaire, 1859

Well of course owners aren’t going to replace themselves. They’re the owners, not the lowly workers. It’s like how owners exempt themselves from return to office mandates or how employees are fired if they find out you have another full time job yet owners “run” multiple businesses.

It seems like the solution is only using trusted sources like bloggers and YouTubers that you follow.

Same thing.

There were no photography art colleges 150 years ago either. Photography was widely derided by artists. Impressionism was created as a response to the increased use of photography. They wanted to show that art was a human interpretation, not a mechanical reproduction.

https://www.artinsociety.com/pt-1-initial-impacts.html#%3A~%3Atext=Some+painters%2C+such+as+Courbet%2Ctrained+discriminating+and+expressive+eye.

Edit: Looks like AI is being added to art classes in colleges. https://hyperallergic.com/944834/school-is-back-in-session-and-so-are-ai-art-classes/

So art school is already recognizing AI art as a medium.

You did dismiss it by claiming it was a small part compared to what a photographer has to learn.

Ai doesn’t do anything without prompting. You need all the same art knowledge to prompt an AI to create an image. In another reply here I compared it to a film director. Film directors don’t say the lines, do the cinematography, create the sets, costumes, or anything else. They only prompt others do do what is in their mind until it satisfies their artistic viewpoint.

My experience with AI art is extremely limited. I got garbage out. I’ve seen good AI art so there is skill to prompting in the same way a photographer uses skill but has a machine that actually creates the art.

Everything you said about photography also applies to painting AND it requires the physical skill that you dismiss as trivial.

But I didn’t say that the 70’s were worse than the 1960’s!!!

I said the 1970’s were worse than today.

Compared to 1970? Trump is making it worse but it’s not that bad yet.

Edit for the downvoters.

You kids have no idea how racist America was in the 1970’s.

1974, Boston:

https://segregationinamerica.eji.org/report/how-segregation-survived.html

It should go to the actor yet often it’s the director who gets the Oscar without the actors also getting an Oscar despite improvisation on the set. Then there’s the entire crew of set design, artists, cinematographers, costuming, and who also do work based on loose prompts from the director. Sometimes they will be acknowledged along with the director but often the director gets an award without everyone else on the set also getting acknowledged.

Like I said I tried AI art once to see what it was about. I did not get anything good but I’ve seen AI art that looks good so I know it is possible with experience in prompting.

Getting the right prompts can be done by anyone in the same way anyone can take a photo. I expect people will spend time learning how to prompt in the same way people learn the knobs and lenses on their camera. Anyone can take a photo. It takes skill to take a good one. Anyone can generate an AI image but it takes skill (less skill but skill nonetheless) to create a good one.

The skill and knowledge to create an oil painting is several orders of magnitude greater than taking a photo. The only reason photography is defended is because everyone grew up with photography slop. Today phone cameras make it even more automated with their automated bokeh and red eye removal.

Interestingly I think the top “I made this” looks AI generated and the bottom image depiction of AI slop was an actual photo from alamy.

Google maps in Android Auto can be infuriatingly wrong because of paid spots.

I once looked for nearest gas station while driving and Google tried to route me to an Exxon 10 miles away even though I knew a Shell station was a mile away. To double check, I eventually found the Shell gas station myself and while stopped in front I again asked Google for the nearest station and it still tried to send me to Exxon. I then searched for Shell gas Stations specifically and it showed it.

So Google has the Shell gas station in its maps but didn’t want to route me to it.

I don’t care about effort, I want to know what you have to say. I want to see what you’ve learned. I want you to show me something about your life.

Does that mean movie directors aren’t artists? Because all they do is prompt people into doing what’s in their mind until it’s either close enough or the actor does something unexpected and they keep it because it was better than their idea.

Practice, then. It’s good for you.

Exactly. Don’t cheat and use a machine like a camera.

“Using AI is lazy. As is Photoshop. As is photography. You want human touch, hire an actual artist.”

take my goddamn hobby out of your mouth.

Have you painted landscapes and portraits? Take your goddamn machine generated hobby out of your mouth.

I’ve (attempted) painting (badly). I’ve done photography (successfully). I’m sick of photographers pretending it’s the same thing as oil on canvas.

The gap of effort and time between photography and painting is greater than AI and photography. I select a lens and turn some knobs on my camera that I know from experience work based on the subject (lighting conditions, motion, distance, effects) and press a button. No amount of skill with oil on canvas can produce art as quickly as using a camera.

I tried AI art once to see what it was about and it took a lot of time with prompts to get anything useful out.

You always say you are done after being proven wrong. Which part of the percentage of Blacks in prison have declined did you not understand? I linked to Black leaders who asked for the bill. I linked Black equality websites that said it has gone down. You linked to Wikipedia that said it went down. Your final dodge was prison numbers as a whole have increased but again your own Wikipedia article shows that even in absolute numbers, it has gone down from 2008. Obama helped. Biden helped. There isn’t a ratchet. You it proved yourself.

I already said prison population has increased. But on a percentage basis, Blacks are less incarcerated than in the past. Is it racist that there are now far more Whites in prison because prison population has increased on an absolute basis?

Yes there are more in prison. And not even using percentages, prison population has decreased from its peak in 2008.

https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/mass-incarceration-trends/