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Opinionated piece by Stefan Wolff, Professor of International Security, University of Birmingham, UK.

… the EU’s largest and Nato’s second-largest economy, Germany is now also aiming to turn its Bundeswehr (the German army, navy and air force) into the “strongest conventional army in Europe”. Its most senior military officer and chief of defence, Carsten Breuer, has published plans for a rapid and wide-ranging expansion of defence capabilities.

Germany is finally beginning to pull its weight in European defence and security policy. This is absolutely critical to the credibility of the EU in the face of the threat from Russia. Berlin has the financial muscle and the technological and industrial potential to make Europe more of a peer to the US when it comes to defence spending and burden sharing. This will be important to salvage what remains of Nato in light of a highly probable American down-scaling – if not complete abandonment – of its past security commitments to the alliance.

  • Gammelfisch@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    Disappointing, I did not want to see our Prussian militarism rise up again. As long as the Russians continue to threaten Europe and politically influence the USA, we have no choice but to rearm.

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          Easy: have a provision that if AfD or anybody like them ever gets into government, all the MIC and weapons stockpiles will be handed to surrounding non-Orban-stan EU countries or NATO itself.

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            Mate, have you not noticed the authoritarian measures in Germany to silence criticism of the Gaza Genocide, not all that dissimilar to what the US is doing?!

            The rot of Racial Discrimination and the tendency to use Force to silence dissent crosses most of German politics, the AfD being but the current pinnacle of it (easily replaced so long those very fields keep getting watered and fertilized by the rest of the German political body).

            People in power in Germany NOW are the very opposite of Humanists who equally care for other people merely because they’re human beings, and it would be very dangerous for the rest of Europe to rely on the goodwill of those in power in Germany even if the threat of the AfD was stopped.

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            And who is supposed to enforce that mechanism? That would require stationing a few hundred thousand soldiers from all over NATO to be stationed in German bases and eye their “allies” carefully, make sure they are the ones handling the stockpiles etc.

            That is completely unrealistic.

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          Well, we have historians who think it necessary to introduce the old traditions again. One of them: a historian responsible for shaping government policy concerning the military:

          https://archive.ph/2025.05.04-185800/https://www.zeit.de/kultur/2025-05/wehrtuechtigkeit-8-mai-parkfriedhof-lichterfelde-soldaten/komplettansicht

          But we are progressive too, feminists fantasising about protecting their families with M16s in street fights with Russians are a thing as well.

          So, don’t get your hopes up

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            Wehrmacht were the baddies not because they had breeches, sabres, trumpets and did goosestepping.

            So there’s really nothing problematic with military traditions. Morale is important even for corporations.

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              Yeah, all dandy when you kinda ignore what all that signifies. Corporations are a great example, for they are pretty perfect fascist organisations. All really nothing problematic.

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                All that signifies that a military is a hierarchical structure intended to impose your will upon some other group by force, hurting, maiming and killing people on scale.

                That is unfortunately a required module.

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            Well, we have historians who think it necessary to introduce the old traditions again.

            As far as I can tell, this historian says in the article that a soldier is more than an extension of democracy but also needs to be able to actually fight and hence not only needs ‘role models’ for ehtos/attitude but also for acquiring military skills.

            He criticises that we (Germany) try to hide the bitter reality of the military behind a purely bureaucratic façade, while the actual soldiers risking their lives deserve a more honest and open treatment.

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              No. It might seem that way superficially, but that’s not the case. It’s such a common place that soldiers have to acquire military skills, it’s laughable to pretend that the German state or bureaucracy sort of forgot about that. He explicitly criticises the German military’s directive that the Wehrmacht can’t serve as a traditional role model for the Bundeswehr, and he only implicitly, at least in this publication, wants to see the military traditions of Wehrmacht and Prussia, reinstated. The reasons why the Wehrmacht should never be a fucking role model for the Bundeswehr has been discussed at length and brought to an end (it seemed) in the 90s. It’s a fucking disgrace that all this reactive bullshit is becoming fashionable again. It’s only possible because they pretend that there’s never been a broad public and scientific discussion about these matters in Germany. Where in fact these were the reason why there is a changed attitude towards military traditions. And it took till 2018 for German politics to acknowledge that. And now we’re back to square one, fuck.

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                It’s such a common place that soldiers have to acquire military skills, it’s laughable to pretend that the German state or bureaucracy sort of forgot about that.

                That is not the point he’s making. He says that while we (as in the general public) like to make the Bundeswehr appear as a “clean” entirely “bureaucratic” object with a large focus on questions of ethos/attitude, we closed our eyes to the inevitable military nature of the Bundeswehr. This is understandable, given our history, but the soldiers who actually risk their lives don’t only need role models in terms of ethos/attitude, but also in terms of skills. Maybe I overlooked it, but I can’t see where he “explicitly criticises the German military’s directive that the Wehrmacht can’t serve as a traditional role model for the Bundeswehr” and especially not where he “wants to see the military traditions of Wehrmacht and Prussia, reinstated”

                The reasons why the Wehrmacht should never be a fucking role model for the Bundeswehr has been discussed at length and brought to an end (it seemed) in the 90s.

                That’s why I’d like to see where he makes that point. We then can get angry all we want, but first I’d like to see what precisely to get angry at.

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                  Note I found this article after I got that weird feeling about Neitzel in the Zeit article.

                  https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/07/19/wehr-j19.html

                  I don’t think this is too alarmist. It is no coincidence that Germany’s role in WWI also gets downplayed by these types, eg Münkler. Again, these reactionary debates create the illusion that historians of the 20th century somehow got it wrong or that there never was any debate about these topics. As if something like the Fischer controversy never happened. It’s scary.

                  In the previous article, this is what I based my suspicions on:

                  Musste die junge Bundesrepublik etwa noch auf die alten Wehrmachtseliten zurückgreifen, um eine Armee im Dienst der Freiheit aufzubauen, wolle man nach der Jahrtausendwende von dieser Kontinuität meist nichts mehr wissen, sagt Neitzel. Ein Ausdruck dessen sei etwa der Traditionserlass der Bundeswehr von 2018. Da heißt es: “Für die Streikkräfte eines demokratischen Rechtsstaates ist die Wehrmacht als Institution nicht traditionswürdig.” Und: “Grundlagen sowie Maßstab für das Traditionsverständnis der Bundeswehr und für ihre Traditionspflege sind (…) vor allem die Werte und Normen des Grundgesetzes.” Frühere Fassungen waren bei allen Distanzierungen von Nationalismus und Militarismus traditionsoffener, etwa der Erlass von 1965: “Die deutsche Wehrgeschichte umfasst in Frieden und Krieg zahllose soldatische Leistungen und menschliche Bewährungen, die überliefert zu werden verdienen.” Oder der Text von 1982: "Nicht jede Einzelheit militärischen Brauchtums, das sich aus früheren Zeiten herleitet, muss demokratisch legitimiert sein.”

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                    I don’t think this is too alarmist.

                    I don’t think it is very objective, either. The article cites an interview in Spiegel in 2017 which can also be found online.

                    Your article:

                    Neitzel insists that the Bundeswehr must stand in the tradition of the Wehrmacht because it must be an “instrument of battle.” He declares that “tank grenadiers and paratroopers” can “hardly be offered non-combative role models.”

                    Actual Spiegel article [deepl translation]:

                    But the Bundeswehr is also an instrument of combat. Just talk to tank grenadiers or paratroopers. They’re not running around with foam balls, they’re supposed to be able to fight and kill, because that’s what the Federal Republic of Germany demands of them. In return, I have to accept that these people, all volunteers, have a certain ethos. They don’t say: It’s terrible that I’m a sniper. They want to master their profession - just like you want to be good journalists and I want to be a proper historian. I can’t offer these people nothing but non-combatant role models.

                    Neither does he say the Bundeswehr must stand in the tradition of the Wehrmacht nor does he say that “tank grenadiers and paratroopers” can hardly be offered non-combative role models but that they cannot be only offered non-combative role models.

                    Your article:

                    One can also “act in an exemplary manner in a total war for a criminal regime… for example, in providing leadership or as a successful soldier like [Helmut] Lent.”

                    Lent, whom Neitzel praises, was a leader of the 3rd night fighter squadron who was styled a war hero by Nazi propaganda. In his funeral oration, Hermann Göring described him as a “supporter of our National Socialist [Nazi] world outlook.”

                    Acrual Spiegel article [deepl translation]

                    Lent scored 110 kills, he was one of the most successful German night fighters and was celebrated accordingly by the propaganda. But as far as we know, he was not a Nazi. Now you can say that this man fought for a system whose character we can all agree on. Or you can look at how he led his squadron, how he flew himself, and come to the conclusion that he was a role model as an aviator and troop leader. I would ask the soldiers in the Lent barracks.

                    We just shouldn’t try to smooth over people’s life stories. As role models, people are always edgy. And if the tradition of the Bundeswehr is not to begin in 1986 - when the first inspector general with no experience of the Second World War took office - we have to accept the brokenness in people’s CVs. It is also possible to act in an exemplary manner for a criminal regime during a total war - in the sense of resistance like Tresckow, but also as a military man, for example in leadership or as a successful soldier like Lent.

                    While your article wants to make it seem that Neitzel is praising a Nazi war hero for this, in the actual article Neitzel explains his views on Lent which are a bit more complicated than told in your article.

                    Also, they conveniently left out the parts where Neitzel explains that the “exemplary manner” in which a person can act even in a total war for a criminal regime (which he does not apologise or trivialise, btw) can be not only as a successful soldier but also in resistance or in leadership.

                    Your article:

                    For Neitzel, not only Nazi propaganda heroes are to be revered for their military achievements, but Hitler’s Wehrmacht as a whole. “The initiative to want to win, to thrust forward, loyalty to duty—are all military qualities that remain valid,” he declares.

                    Actual Spiegel article [deepl translation]:

                    In terms of practical skills, there is a great deal of agreement with what the Bundeswehr also demands of its combat troops: the initiative to want to win, forward momentum, loyalty to duty - these are all military qualities that are still valid. This whole box of traditions is - I exaggerate - only a problem for the combat troops anyway. Especially in units such as the armored forces or the paratroopers, which were formed in the 1930s. When they practise combat, they always end up using the tactics of the Wehrmacht.

                    He absolutely doesn’t say that Hitler’s Wehrmacht as a whole should be revered but that at the core, in both Wehrmacht and Bundeswehr (or any other military), the core demands on soldiers are always the same: a desire to win, to proceed and to be loyal. Futhermore, units that were first developed in the 30’s inevitably also use tactics of one of the biggest armies at that time and extensively developing these units, the Wehrmacht. Is that really surprising?

                    I encourage you to read the original article, as yours seems to be quite biased and I think its always best to aim for an objective and original source where possible.

                    In the previous article, this is what I based my suspicions on:

                    Musste die junge Bundesrepublik etwa noch auf die alten Wehrmachtseliten zurückgreifen, um eine Armee im Dienst der Freiheit aufzubauen, wolle man nach der Jahrtausendwende von dieser Kontinuität meist nichts mehr wissen, sagt Neitzel. Ein Ausdruck dessen sei etwa der Traditionserlass der Bundeswehr von 2018.
                    

                    Yes, but the paragraph doesn’t start there. The sentence before that is vital for the meaning, hence we shouldn’t omit it:

                    Gleichzeitig ist die Frage, ob und wie eine Armee wie die Bundeswehr in die Demokratie passt, mit zunehmendem Abstand zu den Weltkriegen und den deutschen Diktaturen drängender geworden.

                    His point: while in the early years, a continutiy to the Wehrmacht was almost inevitable, this continutiy now almost faded to non-existence as time passed on and we don’t want this continuity anymore. However, we haven’t tackled the question yet of, as he says it, how an army such as the Bundeswehr fits into our democracy. He criticises the lack of an honest military culture in Germany that also accepts that there are soldiers that literally train to kill succesfully and prepare to give their lives for this country and the resulting dishonest desire to make the Bundeswehr exist in a sterile vacuum with no historical lineage and as little connection to the rest of the society as possible.

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        Some friends of mine who did their mandatory military service about 15 years ago told me their MG42 ehhh. MG3s had swastikas scratched into the body.

        There is regular scandals with Neonazi groups in the military and police, including stealing weapons and ammunitions and handing citizen data to Nazi terror groups.

        We currently see Germany supporting a genocidial and fascist regime in Israel. One of the coalition partners the CSU has embraced Trump and Orban and had high ranking members go there to learn how to do this style of politics. Germany is providing weapons including fighter jets to “strategic partners” like Saudi Arabia.

        There is many reasons to be concerned that Germany will be “weird” about it.

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        It needs to be a pan-European “together we’re strong” strengthening of military power, not one with big nation “guarantors” and little nations praying not to be trampled on.

        Defense guarantors is always a dangerous game (have we learned nothing from History, including just now with the US!??), and having Germany as such is even more dangerous, not just for Historical reasons but also due to its current trend towards authoritarianism and Genocide-support, both via AfD and the broader political choice for Autoritarian-lite (with that “lite” being ever less so) reactions against criticism of the Gaza Genocide.

        I don’t know were Germany will end up, but its current trend is to move away from Democracy and Humanitarian Values, so better for the rest to not rely on Germany for their protection, lest we all in the rest of Europe end up with another German Surprise.