• Heikki2@lemmy.world
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    I was just arguing with my mom about this and she said it’s good people are losing the benefits because she knows people don’t need SNAP, despite needing them herself.

    She then went on to name a few people who receive $800 for their 5 kids and simply sell the card to someone else to get cash for drugs and ask me how to solve that problem.

    Reporting the abuse it wasn’t an option.

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      She then went on to name a few people who receive $800 for their 5 kids and simply sell the card to someone else to get cash for drugs and ask me how to solve that problem.

      That problem is easy to solve. Just stop telling that lie, because that’s the only way that situation exists. It’s a complete MAGA fantasy.

      And if your mother gets SNAP, and is happy it’s gone, remember that about three weeks from now, when she’s begging you to buy her groceries. If you buy her anything, make it a big pack of ramen, and a couple of tins of sardines.

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      perhaps worth pointing out too… focusing on the minimal abuse as a reason the whole program should be cut is very american. i think the rest of the world the attitude is much more that a thing is necessary and abuse is a cost of doing business (like shoplifting: just because there’s some shoplifting doesn’t mean you close the whole store)… it’s very much nobody “undeserving” should get rewarded before people need help

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          I have a business that was fully shut down for the pandemic quarantine, and I applied for PPP numerous times, and got turned down for a different reason every time. If the PPP wasn’t meant for businesses like mine, who were directly closed because of the quarantine, than who was it intended for?

          Then I realized - It was a MAGA program, of course it was a scam. It wasn’t meant for me, I’m an honest, ethical business owner.

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          had to search for that :p yeah aye - we had the same in aus (called jobkeeper)… our conservatives introduced it, and it was hugely successful at keeping people employed but also massively abused by big companies

          https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2021/09/03/jobkeeper-rorts

          i think this quote pretty accurately describes it

          JobKeeper is both the largest rort in Australian history and the most successful job saver

          overall there were some reports written about it after the fact: lessons learned etc, but i think people don’t really blame the conservatives for the abuse… it was a programme that was quickly conceived of, and implemented very fast and it achieved a very important purpose. was it wasteful? sure… was it or something like it necessary? also very much yes

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      Yeah that sounds about like the line of reasoning I’d expect from conservatives in my family. The problem is that you gave them something at all. They made you a sucker. Stop helping people. etc.

      They’d just terminate the thought there, and not move on to wonder if it could it be some other problem the system could help them with other than today’s cart of groceries. My goodness, they might accidentally save a life and not even know it!