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- politics@beehaw.org
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- politics@beehaw.org
Veterans are facing federal charges after protesting ICE sweeps and Trump’s national guard deployments. The justice department claims the veterans were violent
US military veterans increasingly face arrest and injury amid protests over Donald Trump’s deportation campaign and his push to deploy national guard members to an ever-widening number of American cities.
The Guardian has identified eight instances where military veterans have been prosecuted or sought damages after being detained by federal agents.
The latest incident occurred in Broadview, outside Chicago, where 70-year old air force veteran Dana Briggs was charged with felony assault on a federal officer on 29 September.
Yeah, like you said, that’s Ur-Fascism, aka an academic definition they came up with in the 90’s that can apply to a lot of things if you squint right.
The historical definition of Fascism is:
Fascism is not merely a system of government; it is a system of thought. For the Fascist, everything is in the State, and nothing human or spiritual exists, much less has value, outside the State. In this sense, Fascism is totalitarian.
For Fascism, the State is absolute, individuals and groups relative. Individuals and groups are admissible only in so far as they come within the State.
Regardless, what does this have to do with ICE deporting people illegally? Any country that deports illegals is fascist?
I am responding to your insinuation that calling Trump fascist is a call to violence.
People use that word because they think it’s an accurate description of the things he’s been doing.
I do not think deporting illegal immigrants makes someone fascist. I did not claim that. The statement of yours I initially responded to said nothing about illegal immigrants. It was about the use of the word fascist.
To respond to the definition you provided:
Where are you getting that definition of Fascism?
I’ve found a number of definitions online, but I can’t find the one you’re quoting.
Maybe I’m just searching the wrong things, but I can’t find any source for it.
What makes it the authoritative definition? Does it come from a notable scholar or something?
“Call to violence”
No, I’m assuming that if someone actually believes a true Fascist, Hitler-esque takeover is happening, I’d expect a vigorous response to remove them from power. That’s the traditional way to remove Fascists from power.
“Accurate”
Yes, because they’re using Ur-Fascism from the 90’s as some sort of historical standard. When you can look at those points and apply them to many different groups.
“Notable scholar”
My guy.
This is like you arguing about communism’s definition, my quoting Marx and you wondering what obscure scholar would say such a thing.
The second quote is from Mussolini, who knew a thing or two about Fascism.
The first is from Giovanni Gentile, widely considered the godfather of Fascism.
But I’m sure you know better than them.
I couldn’t find a source, and you didn’t provide one. I wanted to see where your definition came from, as I wasn’t familiar with the source of the quote. My cursory online search didn’t turn up any results, so I asked you for the source.
(I only searched quotes from the first paragraph, and didn’t find any results. I assumed the two quotes were from the same source, and so didn’t look up any quotes from the second source. That was due to a lack of research rigor on my part.)
Thank you for providing your sources.
I’m sorry for being dismissive. I was wrong.
I should have done more research before responding like that.
And I appreciate that, fair enough. For some reason people can quote Marx but despite talking incessantly about Fascism, have no idea what the original Fascists said that Fascism was.
Orwell’s quote about Fascism was pretty spot on.