Disgusting. Well deserved fine, especially for the fact that they had the audacity to post it online. China is right to make an example of this sort of antisocial behavior before it becomes a trend.
If they gave them community service, all the anti-China media would immediately be shouting about “forced labor”.
The simple question is this: do you want China to turn into a shithole like the US or do you want it to remain a well behaved, civilized society? Sometimes you have to be strict with people who show extreme disrespect to the society and the people around them. Do you think the USSR tolerated extreme anti-social behavior?
Especially with today’s online culture, as the government you have to immediately stamp out this kind of thing before it becomes some sort of “cool” online trend or “challenge” for the youth, if necessary by disproportionately harsh punishment to set an example. I’m sure if you look on Chinese social media you will find that most Chinese people not only agree with this, some are probably calling for even harsher punishments. People would be up in arms if the government did nothing.
that would definitely be a big improvement to implement rn without radical changes, but it still wouldnt be fair, youd still be sometimes taking money from someones rent and sometimes taking money from someones investments. it’s also punitive justice which doesn’t work. i dont think the government should intentionally hurt people
2.2 million yuan […] This includes 2m yuan for operational and reputational damage, 130,000 yuan to one of the caterers for tableware losses and cleaning expenses, and 70,000 yuan in legal costs.
punitive would be paid to the state? “fine” and “fined” don’t show up in the article at all. not exactly sure where the other 200k are going
idk this seems like a situation where money can pretty directly restore a lot of the harm done and i wouldn’t trust those kids to work in the restaurant like the old trope of getting dish duty when you can’t pay the diner for your meal. Making them do a few thousand hours of “community service” doesn’t repair their victims.
Unless these are rich kids, the specific amount is probably a bit excessive. It’s not really humane to keep someone in debt for a decade for something they did as a minor, especially something that, while certainly harmful and deserving discouragement, isn’t exactly arson.
It also found that the teens’ parents had “failed to fulfil their duty of guardianship” and ordered that they bear the compensation, state media reported.
This includes 2m yuan for operational and reputational damage, 130,000 yuan to one of the caterers for tableware losses and cleaning expenses, and 70,000 yuan in legal costs.
Exactly. The only way this doesn’t seem really excessive to me is if it’s like that €100,000 speeding ticket in Finland that made the news because they assign a penalty based on either income or net worth (I forgot which)
Disgusting. Well deserved fine, especially for the fact that they had the audacity to post it online. China is right to make an example of this sort of antisocial behavior before it becomes a trend.
are fines suddenly ok when its china? a crime thats punished with a fine is just one thats only legal for rich people
And what would you suggest?
If they gave them community service, all the anti-China media would immediately be shouting about “forced labor”.
The simple question is this: do you want China to turn into a shithole like the US or do you want it to remain a well behaved, civilized society? Sometimes you have to be strict with people who show extreme disrespect to the society and the people around them. Do you think the USSR tolerated extreme anti-social behavior?
Especially with today’s online culture, as the government you have to immediately stamp out this kind of thing before it becomes some sort of “cool” online trend or “challenge” for the youth, if necessary by disproportionately harsh punishment to set an example. I’m sure if you look on Chinese social media you will find that most Chinese people not only agree with this, some are probably calling for even harsher punishments. People would be up in arms if the government did nothing.
Who gives a shit? They can say what they want and China will keep trucking
you can avoid much of that particular flaw with fines by scaling them to income (or wealth if you’re clever enough)
that would definitely be a big improvement to implement rn without radical changes, but it still wouldnt be fair, youd still be sometimes taking money from someones rent and sometimes taking money from someones investments. it’s also punitive justice which doesn’t work. i dont think the government should intentionally hurt people
punitive would be paid to the state? “fine” and “fined” don’t show up in the article at all. not exactly sure where the other 200k are going
i dont like when people have to pay money for things
idk this seems like a situation where money can pretty directly restore a lot of the harm done and i wouldn’t trust those kids to work in the restaurant like the old trope of getting dish duty when you can’t pay the diner for your meal. Making them do a few thousand hours of “community service” doesn’t repair their victims.
I don’t think giving the international bourgeoisie money is restorative justice, but that could just be me.
ok we are very far afield from “oh this is damages, not fines” now.
Unless these are rich kids, the specific amount is probably a bit excessive. It’s not really humane to keep someone in debt for a decade for something they did as a minor, especially something that, while certainly harmful and deserving discouragement, isn’t exactly arson.
Looks like it’s the parents on the hook for it
Exactly. The only way this doesn’t seem really excessive to me is if it’s like that €100,000 speeding ticket in Finland that made the news because they assign a penalty based on either income or net worth (I forgot which)