Honest question, what is acab about? Because in my mind you need someone to upkeep the law otherwise how do you deal with criminals? I’m probably just naive I suppose.
Police officers are frequently held to lower standards and allowed to commit abuses with impunity; any police officer who joins that system and isn’t dedicated to police reform is just an agent of the system who should be assumed to be okay with the abuses.
I don’t want to imply that older systems were superior, just wanted to point out historical alternatives. Saying this beforehand because I noticed that the way I talk makes people think I’m endorsing stuff I’m not.
For most of human history there was no such thing as an institutionalized state police force, and yet law and order existed for millennia. To over simplify, you would have multiple powers that would try to mediate (or fight). As an example, in medieval Europe you’d have a local lord, guilds and the church, all with some form of guards to represent their interests. And you as an individual would likely belong to such a community. Also specifically the church would go out of its way to mediate problems of other people and prevent issues before they arise, both as community building and power projection (obviously).
The police of today are mainly here to protect property and maintain the status quo, they try to act like mediators, but in such conflicts they mainly come to pacify you so someone else can handle you. Personally my main issue is that we pretend like they’re much more than a civil suppression force. Like for some reason cops are still the main way states handle suicidal people, like jesus christ…
guards implemented today to represent interests would most definitely be from mega corporations, or whoever paid the most money. I would much rather have the government enforce laws than that.
A good cop wouldn’t tolerate the kind of systemic abuse you see in the states, and as a result, would be fired as the institution protects the abusers. All thats left is bastards
But surely, if every good cop quits - leaving only bad cops in the police - that’s not a desirable result, is it?
Shouldn’t good cops try to find ways to make all the bad cops quit, ultimately leading to a police that we could actually call good?
Hahahaha…sorry, a bit callous. Bad cops take power through all kinds of abuse and ganging up to bully good cops. Good cops have to deal with having empathy and the desire to avoid violence and the like so they have a harder time and the population themselves vote for center or right-wing candidates that install corrupt officials into high offices.
It’s not desireable for the people but for cops and the owner class it works out pretty fucking well. It doesn’t even work well to deal with crime but since most of that crime ends up being poor-on-poor the owner class still doesn’t give a shit. They get an army of morally bankrupt thugs and their neighbourhoods and crimes get protected so what do they care in the end?
I do not mean to insult but your comment reads like my dad voting conservative to lower taxes on the rich because he actually believes in trickle-down economics. He genuinely thinks CEOs and shareholders care about him, which is nice in a “oh he’s sweet but kinda stupid” sorta way. These people don’t care about what’s best for everyone, they care about what is best for them and as long as the system doesn’t fully crumble within their lifetimes they could not give a fuck.
The problem with the police system in the USA is that it exists to protect capital, not to protect the people. The purpose of the police, as it currently exists, is to keep the lower classes in line. This is why the rich get away with most things. Even if a billionaire does get pulled over for speeding the fine isn’t even 1% of their income. More likely they won’t even be punished at all. Most people who genuinely want to help others either leave or get pushed out once they realize they’re only hurting the little guys. When people say acab or defund the police, they’re not saying that we shouldn’t have anyone to call, but they’re saying that we have to completely rebuild that necessary service. We need to take a completely different approach. Rather than sending in officers armed to the teeth into neighborhoods and communities they’re not a part of, we need to send people trained in de-escalation to their own communities (so that they’re actually invested in the well-being of their own community). Obviously there will be times when force is necessary, but the majority of the time, police officers don’t need a gun to give someone a speeding ticket or respond to a noise complaint. Also there’s a severe lack of accountability and punishment for bad cops which just encourages them to keep being bad and get worse, which is part of why we have such widespread, blatant corruption and police gangs
Tl;dr it’s a systemic issue that rewards bad behavior so good people either leave on their own or get forced out bc the system itself is rotten
i do not deny that there is some level of corruption in the police force and restructure would help, but i think this is a vast overstatement.
I want to understand the common point of view on this platform, I see it quite often but I can never bring myself to agree with it… I don’t see actual real life examples that the primary function of the police is to keep the lower classes in line. often I see people arrested and pulled over, but not subjugated. I don’t think most cops are “bad cops”
the american police system is sufficiently rotten that there’s no realistic way to fix it, it needs to be completely dismantled and remade from the ground up.
If all good cops quit it would barely even be noticed.
Honest question, what is acab about? Because in my mind you need someone to upkeep the law otherwise how do you deal with criminals? I’m probably just naive I suppose.
Police officers are frequently held to lower standards and allowed to commit abuses with impunity; any police officer who joins that system and isn’t dedicated to police reform is just an agent of the system who should be assumed to be okay with the abuses.
I don’t want to imply that older systems were superior, just wanted to point out historical alternatives. Saying this beforehand because I noticed that the way I talk makes people think I’m endorsing stuff I’m not.
For most of human history there was no such thing as an institutionalized state police force, and yet law and order existed for millennia. To over simplify, you would have multiple powers that would try to mediate (or fight). As an example, in medieval Europe you’d have a local lord, guilds and the church, all with some form of guards to represent their interests. And you as an individual would likely belong to such a community. Also specifically the church would go out of its way to mediate problems of other people and prevent issues before they arise, both as community building and power projection (obviously).
The police of today are mainly here to protect property and maintain the status quo, they try to act like mediators, but in such conflicts they mainly come to pacify you so someone else can handle you. Personally my main issue is that we pretend like they’re much more than a civil suppression force. Like for some reason cops are still the main way states handle suicidal people, like jesus christ…
guards implemented today to represent interests would most definitely be from mega corporations, or whoever paid the most money. I would much rather have the government enforce laws than that.
A good cop wouldn’t tolerate the kind of systemic abuse you see in the states, and as a result, would be fired as the institution protects the abusers. All thats left is bastards
But surely, if every good cop quits - leaving only bad cops in the police - that’s not a desirable result, is it? Shouldn’t good cops try to find ways to make all the bad cops quit, ultimately leading to a police that we could actually call good?
Hahahaha…sorry, a bit callous. Bad cops take power through all kinds of abuse and ganging up to bully good cops. Good cops have to deal with having empathy and the desire to avoid violence and the like so they have a harder time and the population themselves vote for center or right-wing candidates that install corrupt officials into high offices.
It’s not desireable for the people but for cops and the owner class it works out pretty fucking well. It doesn’t even work well to deal with crime but since most of that crime ends up being poor-on-poor the owner class still doesn’t give a shit. They get an army of morally bankrupt thugs and their neighbourhoods and crimes get protected so what do they care in the end?
I do not mean to insult but your comment reads like my dad voting conservative to lower taxes on the rich because he actually believes in trickle-down economics. He genuinely thinks CEOs and shareholders care about him, which is nice in a “oh he’s sweet but kinda stupid” sorta way. These people don’t care about what’s best for everyone, they care about what is best for them and as long as the system doesn’t fully crumble within their lifetimes they could not give a fuck.
The problem with the police system in the USA is that it exists to protect capital, not to protect the people. The purpose of the police, as it currently exists, is to keep the lower classes in line. This is why the rich get away with most things. Even if a billionaire does get pulled over for speeding the fine isn’t even 1% of their income. More likely they won’t even be punished at all. Most people who genuinely want to help others either leave or get pushed out once they realize they’re only hurting the little guys. When people say acab or defund the police, they’re not saying that we shouldn’t have anyone to call, but they’re saying that we have to completely rebuild that necessary service. We need to take a completely different approach. Rather than sending in officers armed to the teeth into neighborhoods and communities they’re not a part of, we need to send people trained in de-escalation to their own communities (so that they’re actually invested in the well-being of their own community). Obviously there will be times when force is necessary, but the majority of the time, police officers don’t need a gun to give someone a speeding ticket or respond to a noise complaint. Also there’s a severe lack of accountability and punishment for bad cops which just encourages them to keep being bad and get worse, which is part of why we have such widespread, blatant corruption and police gangs
Tl;dr it’s a systemic issue that rewards bad behavior so good people either leave on their own or get forced out bc the system itself is rotten
i do not deny that there is some level of corruption in the police force and restructure would help, but i think this is a vast overstatement.
I want to understand the common point of view on this platform, I see it quite often but I can never bring myself to agree with it… I don’t see actual real life examples that the primary function of the police is to keep the lower classes in line. often I see people arrested and pulled over, but not subjugated. I don’t think most cops are “bad cops”
the american police system is sufficiently rotten that there’s no realistic way to fix it, it needs to be completely dismantled and remade from the ground up.
If all good cops quit it would barely even be noticed.