I don’t understand why they are publicizing this. Wouldn’t it be easier to ‘slip by’ under cover of night or whatever smuggler-esque strategies there are?
I think it’s more that one delivery is a drop in the bucket while achieving a constant stream of deliveries (e.g. the public puts enough pressure on their respective governments) could meaningfully address the problem
The objective is to draw attention to the famine that Israel is causing by publicising how Israel blocks the entry of aid with a very tangible example.
They just don’t expect to be allowed through. If they are, great! Then they’d do this again with an even bigger flotilla, and keep helping people as long as they’re allowed to.
However, what they expect to happen is that they’ll be stopped. So they’re making sure they’re positioned to take full advantage of that, too.
They’re going to get stopped either way. A flotilla of 27 civilian ships isn’t sneaking past one of the most advanced, heavily armed navies in the world, no matter how “sneaky” they try to be.
At least this way they’re on record for stopping the delivery.
To point out its purposeful starvation. Israel claims they don’t have to,provide aid, it’s a war. This points out the hypocrisy that Israel are preventing peaceful aid. Israel are using hunger and famine as a weapon of war, to eliminate a people. Aka genocide and war crimes,
Yer they still receive support and they still block aid. This is to make it clear to those that don’t know, or that think Israel is within its rights to do so.
So alleviating their suffering isn’t the objective
I’m surprised a .ml account is saying this.
Still, I’m curious if they have a real distribution plan should they make it through. I don’t imaging desperate people are going to make an orderly line, nor that the IDF will just watch it happen.
While some people defend the Russian invasion of Ukraine in ML, I have never seen comments as disturbing as those on .world that defend Israel unconditionally and blame Hamas for the genocide. Some even go so far as to claim that Palestinians do not exist, and that the entire land belongs to Jews because God supposedly gave it to them, or based on other stupid ancestral arguments.
It’s a tankie instance?? I just saw that the description was lemmy.ml, I took it as to mean the most ‘generic’ one. (Given that it is ‘lemmy’) Where was this extra description?
Also I thought everyone was free to just choose whichever and there was no difference in the kind of accessibility or privilege to choosing one over another?
It seems like a gamble that both sides are doing - ‘blockade runners’ going to initiate an internationally effective response after they are illegally kidnapped, and that Israel is betting that no one can find the balls to do anything.
So you agree that that is the publicity stunt part, which the activists can then use to shine yet another light on the evil that is the Israeli government.
Let me ask you this, what are you doing to make the world better or shine a light on things?
That’s not true necessarily. Of course they are highlighting the cruelty of the blockade, but I’m sure they’d be very happy to get in and see what’s happening—as well as distribute some food
yet they send a flotilla of food they will be eating from into a blockade that will just take the food and send it on anyways. this is twitter theatre.
What in the world kind of thinking is this? Yeah, there’s a war going on and Russia is targeting civilian centers and are clearly the invading aggressor, but that is not on the same level as the full blown genocide happening in Gaza/West Bank. The fact that they could easily get into Ukraine and deliver food…means they don’t have to. What.
There is an actual famine happening in Gaza. Starvation is being used as a weapon of war and attrition against the entire civilian population. There are only upsides to them trying this: either aid gets through and some people survive a little longer, or it doesn’t, and it proves to the entire world—that happens to be sitting on their hands over the genocide—that this is real and needs way more attention and pressure. What don’t you understand about that?
It’s attempting to break an illegal and genocidal blockade of necessary survival items. The fact that the blockade exists means they should respect it?
Look what they’ve already done: started thousands of conversations about it. It’s already mountains more than you or I have ever done to help the people of Gaza. Your opinion is ridiculous. But it also shows how necessary these actions are.
This is a good thing, don’t get me wrong, but reading this is exhausting. Framing it as Israel “failing to prevent a humanitarian disaster” rather than actively committing genocide is such weasely bullshit.
You’re not wrong, but considering how full throated Trudeau was in his support for Israel, and all of the Islamophobic+anti-Semetic rhetoric in Toronto and Montreal while those cities are hosting meetings for land developers wanting to invest in the Gaza strip, I will take what I can get.
I don’t understand why they are publicizing this. Wouldn’t it be easier to ‘slip by’ under cover of night or whatever smuggler-esque strategies there are?
The point isn’t to get supplies to Gaza, it’s to put eyeballs on the fact that Israel is preventing supplies from getting into Gaza.
So alleviating their suffering isn’t the objective, rather to point out that they are suffering?
I think it’s more that one delivery is a drop in the bucket while achieving a constant stream of deliveries (e.g. the public puts enough pressure on their respective governments) could meaningfully address the problem
The objective is to draw attention to the famine that Israel is causing by publicising how Israel blocks the entry of aid with a very tangible example.
They just don’t expect to be allowed through. If they are, great! Then they’d do this again with an even bigger flotilla, and keep helping people as long as they’re allowed to.
However, what they expect to happen is that they’ll be stopped. So they’re making sure they’re positioned to take full advantage of that, too.
I understand it better now, clearly there are others that didn’t like my question. I guess there are ‘stupid’ questions to ask.
But regardless, the take for me is that they are taking more a ‘martyrdom’ sort of approach, which I completely respect.
They’re going to get stopped either way. A flotilla of 27 civilian ships isn’t sneaking past one of the most advanced, heavily armed navies in the world, no matter how “sneaky” they try to be.
At least this way they’re on record for stopping the delivery.
if they try to sneak for sure they are getting killed
To point out its purposeful starvation. Israel claims they don’t have to,provide aid, it’s a war. This points out the hypocrisy that Israel are preventing peaceful aid. Israel are using hunger and famine as a weapon of war, to eliminate a people. Aka genocide and war crimes,
Everybody know that israel claims are BS. All leaders now that the occupying force has the obligation to provide necessities to the occupied
Yer they still receive support and they still block aid. This is to make it clear to those that don’t know, or that think Israel is within its rights to do so.
The downside to the plan failing is that they alleviate suffering.
By… Increasing visibility and pressuring the other governments to act?
Or deliver the Aid. Win Win. (Doesn’t seem like the right word, but nevermind.)
I feel like in an alternate world, the mexican cartels find their humanity and use their drug subs to deliver aid would be a great story
I’m surprised a
.mlaccount is saying this.Still, I’m curious if they have a real distribution plan should they make it through. I don’t imaging desperate people are going to make an orderly line, nor that the IDF will just watch it happen.
While some people defend the Russian invasion of Ukraine in ML, I have never seen comments as disturbing as those on .world that defend Israel unconditionally and blame Hamas for the genocide. Some even go so far as to claim that Palestinians do not exist, and that the entire land belongs to Jews because God supposedly gave it to them, or based on other stupid ancestral arguments.
Good ole nakba denial
Im on Lemmy a fair amount, but I’ve not seen that on
.world. Still wouldn’t surprise me given its one of the biggest instance.I’ve seen this kind of stereotyping around - what’s this about different attributes associated with different Lemmy domains? I just made a random one.
Tankie instance, but more relevant one that has a strong dislike of pragmatism when discussing leftist issues.
It’s a tankie instance?? I just saw that the description was lemmy.ml, I took it as to mean the most ‘generic’ one. (Given that it is ‘lemmy’) Where was this extra description?
Also I thought everyone was free to just choose whichever and there was no difference in the kind of accessibility or privilege to choosing one over another?
The
.mlstands for Marxist Leninist. Not really, but that’s how they use it. It is a generic instance, but it does have that reputation.I love their passion for issues, but their stubborn unpractical approach to solutions is frustrating.
Whaaat? Is there a list of other domains and what political agendas they stand for? Or what’s a completely politically neutered instance?
Also there definitely was nothing like that in the description. I feel like I’m being profiled. What’s going on
.ml moment
it’s a illegal blockage, if they tried to do it in secret it would 100% fail, it’s a humanitarian aid flotilla, not a military stealth ship.
if anything the more public eyes on this the better.
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If they don’t, Israel could just say they didn’t know and just blow them up.
It seems like a gamble that both sides are doing - ‘blockade runners’ going to initiate an internationally effective response after they are illegally kidnapped, and that Israel is betting that no one can find the balls to do anything.
No, it won’t be easier. Israel has all the tools to intercept them
Because it is a publicity stunt.
“Publicity stunt” is just a pejorative description of activism, in this case.
If that’s how you want to interpret it, sure.
Feel free to put forward an alternative view
Sure:
“Publicity stunt” is just a objectively accurate description of activism, in this case.
If Israel does not let them through like last time then boom we have publicity of Israel actively denying food to Palestinians.
If Israel does let them through then they get to give aid to people in need.
So it’s either an aid mission or publicity stunt depending on what Israel decides to do.
Right, just that one of these options is highly more likely than the other. And everybody involved knows it.
So you agree that that is the publicity stunt part, which the activists can then use to shine yet another light on the evil that is the Israeli government.
Let me ask you this, what are you doing to make the world better or shine a light on things?
because they dont want to get there they want the headlines when they are turned away
That’s not true necessarily. Of course they are highlighting the cruelty of the blockade, but I’m sure they’d be very happy to get in and see what’s happening—as well as distribute some food
yet they wont and they know that they wont. why not deliver food to the Ukrainian front? because they might actually get there.
Because people dying from starvation in Gaza?? What kind of logic is this!?
yet they send a flotilla of food they will be eating from into a blockade that will just take the food and send it on anyways. this is twitter theatre.
What in the world kind of thinking is this? Yeah, there’s a war going on and Russia is targeting civilian centers and are clearly the invading aggressor, but that is not on the same level as the full blown genocide happening in Gaza/West Bank. The fact that they could easily get into Ukraine and deliver food…means they don’t have to. What.
There is an actual famine happening in Gaza. Starvation is being used as a weapon of war and attrition against the entire civilian population. There are only upsides to them trying this: either aid gets through and some people survive a little longer, or it doesn’t, and it proves to the entire world—that happens to be sitting on their hands over the genocide—that this is real and needs way more attention and pressure. What don’t you understand about that?
news flash: they wont be getting into Gaza at all. so they could help people, but choose not to. this is theatre.
It’s attempting to break an illegal and genocidal blockade of necessary survival items. The fact that the blockade exists means they should respect it?
Look what they’ve already done: started thousands of conversations about it. It’s already mountains more than you or I have ever done to help the people of Gaza. Your opinion is ridiculous. But it also shows how necessary these actions are.
Because terrorism is the point
“Terrorism is when you attempt to deliver food to starving children.”
So many zionists here
This is terrorism? Explain.
yes i would like to know how this is terrorism as well
Please enlighten us how this is terrorism?
Lmao posting this from the Canada instance is hilarous considering the PM has put out a statement denouncing the Knesset and it’s intention to recognize a Palestinian State. Guess Carney’s a terrorist.
This is a good thing, don’t get me wrong, but reading this is exhausting. Framing it as Israel “failing to prevent a humanitarian disaster” rather than actively committing genocide is such weasely bullshit.
You’re not wrong, but considering how full throated Trudeau was in his support for Israel, and all of the Islamophobic+anti-Semetic rhetoric in Toronto and Montreal while those cities are hosting meetings for land developers wanting to invest in the Gaza strip, I will take what I can get.