Unskippable Preamble: I finally had the time to do this write up I promised after Zohran won the mayoral primary election. Campaigning was exhausting and then I ended up having a crazy hectic personal life that I could not have predicted! I do plan on giving this a bit more info and editing when I have the time/energy, but for now, this is my Zohran Campaign retrospective from the inside!

Who am I?

I am a NYC-DSA member. I am also a member of a communist caucus within DSA. I identify as a Marxist-Leninist but see value in being a member of the largest group of (for some, nominally) socialists in the country. I am somebody who knows Zohran as an acquaintance and volunteered for his first campaign, as well as more officially working for this mayoral campaign. I would say I am in the cusp second/third ring of people around him, and communication is typically campaign related, though we have mutual friends who are closer to him who have provided me with some insight I did not personally have.

Setting the Scene:

There has been talk of it for years now, and here we are in 2024 staring down the barrel of an Eric Adams VS Andrew Cuomo VS Curtis Sliwa election. Three conservatives running for mayor of the city with the largest group of organized socialists in the country.

Much like here on Hexbear, there have been talks within DSA for some time on the efficacy of not just continuing to run for political office on the Democratic ticket, but whether to run for political office at all.

(This is not intended to be a debate on electoralism, but I will give a brief explanation on my position and what is generally the position of Zohran + team.)

We are firmly in the camp of it being worth the effort to engage in electoralism, provided it is not the only goal of organizing efforts. There is immense value in tuning people in to socialism and socialist policy. After having its name dragged through the mud for over a century, there is a lot to be done in warming people up to the idea of socialism in the imperial core. We believe it is important to do as much as possible to crush deeply embedded cultural anti-socialism.

That Feeling When No Vanguard:

It was important to us to understand NYC-DSA as an organization beyond those who directly constitute its membership. We felt strongly that we must consider those who naturally align with the organization as a second, slightly less reliable but equally important, arm for doing organizing. This campaign was going to be made or broken by our ability to make people actually care about mobilizing for us. It is for this reason that as socialists, we had to ideologically run the campaign, not let the campaigning for office ideologically run us. That was the only thing that could separate us from being just another campaign with progressive dem ethos.

Thus, it was important that the campaign continue to have one clear vision throughout. The amount of volunteers we could drive to our campaign would be directly proportional to the amount of people we were reaching with our message. Watering it down would hurt us far more in the long run, and give other candidates room to budge in on messaging or flip flopping. If our message truly resonates, staying committed likely means growing our base and numbers of volunteers in the future.

The Early Vision: What Is to Be done?

So how do you run an ideologically socialist campaign for a city of people who would not have a plurality identify as socialists? Really, it’s simple: keep it materialist. Zohran mentioned early on that every contested campaign for office is a slog of neoliberal BS that people do not even hear anymore á la “Student loan debt forgiveness programs for Pell Grant recipients who start a business that operates for three years in economically disadvantaged communities.” Those that even stayed awake through that entire sentence are slapped in the face by how exclusionary this supposed inclusive and uplifting policy is supposed to be. Nobody was talking about anything other than the typical Kamala-like drivel in the NYC mayoral race, so we strategically set our sights on late October, just pre-presidential election. No matter the outcome, it would give us a good place to slot in our campaign as the only left lane option and only one relentlessly focused on material issues of affordability for New Yorkers in a way nobody else cared to.

Inevitably, Kamala lost and Zohran had a great idea to highlight exactly why, while simultaneously boosting our own campaign: go hit the streets and interview people about why they voted for Trump or didn’t vote for Kamala. He was out there for hours and hours and hours in the cold and wind getting the exact answers you and I already knew he’d get, “They don’t care about us.” ”Trump is at least saying he will bring down prices” ”Biden and Kamala are already in office, but what are they doing?”

It easily reaffirmed what we needed to say and do: New Yorkers can’t afford childcare, they can’t afford rent, they can’t afford transit, and they can’t afford their groceries. So so so many people were willing to take a risk on Trump just for saying he’d address things like that, despite already hating him. Why wouldn’t they consider taking a chance on us? Do they care more about the fact we are socialists or that they can’t put food on the table?

Never Tell Me the Odds: How to Be Competitive

If you’re running an election campaign, and you don’t actually care about policy you’re giving the majority of voters, who do you target? The people with a proven track record of voting. That is how >90% of democrats run their campaigns. The longer the track record, the more you target them. Voted in three consecutive primaries? By conventional dem logic, you should definitely get a knock on your door! But these strategies alone don’t typically work for a socialist candidate. Why? Our target demographic is inherently disenfranchised by electoralism. We need those who are likely to vote, but more importantly we need those who are only likely to vote for the right candidate. We were looking for people who live in progressive areas but haven’t recently voted. By “recently” I mean people who haven’t voted even once since Obama. We know we are not alone in feeling disenfranchised. Find people living in rent stabilized housing and tell them I know politics suck, but our guy is going to stop your rent from going up. Find south Asian and Muslim communities who vote in low numbers and tell them our guy knows your struggle. Find those who voted Obama and Trump ‘16 and tell them we are hurting too, and enough is enough. We want to put food on your table, keep a roof over your head, help you afford childcare so you can have the dignity you deserve.

Neoliberals have over-intellectualized politics to be some complex system that nobody can truly understand, but it really isn’t that hard if you’re willing to put in the work to actually reach those who need help.

We had a simple pitch: Here is our list of ideas. If they sound good to you, rank us somewhere on your ballot 1-5. We are happy to represent you whether we are your first or fifth choice for mayor, BUT DONT PUT CUOMO ON YOUR BALLOT AT ALL. Other major candidates were on board too, and cross-endorsed each other and Zohran. The most important amongst these was comptroller Brad Lander, who campaigned prominently alongside Zohran in the weeks leading up to the election. This was a key part of the strategy to win over the wealthy liberal who would hold their nose, but reluctantly vote for Zohran under the right set of circumstances. It also did a lot to dispel the mudslinging accusations of Zohran being an antisemite, as comptroller Lander himself was Jewish and stood up for Zohran on many occasions.

But Do You Condemn the Cost of Living Crisis?

I don’t want to be too cocky about this, but nearly every hurdle that was thrown at us was easily identified before we even were polling at 2%. The neoliberals are going to say all of the same things they’ve always said about socialists, but this time all we have to do is say something along the lines of, “and that’s bad why?” because normal people don’t think about things like this being a Trojan horse campaign so that we get to do executions in Central Park if Zohran got elected. This worked to much greater effect than anticipated, because while Zohran was all over the news and social media, the Cuomo campaign decided it was best to coast off of name recognition and hope people would just vote for him because of that and because he’s Not Zohran™. We constantly had nearly free airtime on the news and social media to make these people attacking Zohran for these “crazy policies” look like they actually hated the solutions that genuinely made sense to the working class. This hyper-focused campaigning ended up gifting us so many slam dunks. Nobody’s message was heard more loudly or clearly than ours, and it opened up the door to highlighting how other candidates/pundits don’t care about these issues the same way Zohran does. Long before Zohran was competitive in polls, I was saying he’s already the front runner in being seen as genuine. That alone doesn’t win elections, but it goes a long way when your competition is so NOT genuine.

What we weren’t prepared for, however, was the popular tide beginning to turn against Israel. Whether or not it was Trump being elected, Zohran unabashedly speaking about it, or just people finally having seen enough of Israel’s crimes, we were caught riding the wave as the exact right time. The other candidates and political pundits couldn’t stop talking about Zohran and Israel, and people were finally getting fed up. It reached a fever pitch at the end of a mayoral debate when candidates were asked a “lightning round” question where they were supposed to give a one sentence answer to the question: “Where will you make your first international trip as mayor of NYC?”

If you haven’t seen the debate, I don’t think I need to tell you that all of the candidates were tripping over each other to find a way to say “Israel” more enthusiastically than the last. When the question came to Zohran, he answered “I would stay here in New York City to do my job and address the needs of New Yorkers across the five boroughs.” At this point the Zohran HQ was hooting and hollering because that’s a great answer and we knew exactly what would happen next. The camera cuts back to the moderators, who tossed aside their rules to ask the only follow up questions of the entire lightning round:

Moderator: ”Mr. Mamdani, can I jump in here– Would you visit Israel as mayor?”

Zohran: ”As mayor I’ll be standing up for Jewish New Yorkers and meeting them wherever they are across the five boroughs, whether at synagogues or temples or subway platforms, because ultimately we need to focus on delivering on their concerns of–“ Moderator, sharply cutting Zohran off: ”Do you believe in a Jewish state of Israel?”

Zohran: ”I believe Israel has the right to exist”

Moderator: ”But as a Jewish state?”

Zohran: ”As a state with equal rights.”

I think it was in this moment that I knew it was over. They played themselves on live television. Even on the most astroturfed social media sites, all people were talking about was, “I didn’t know they were running for mayor of Israel.” The Israel line of questioning on Zohran fell apart before our very eyes. This isn’t a presidential debate. This is a local election (albeit a very large one). Why does a mayor need to believe in the right of Israel to exist? Why is this question even being asked when it broke the rules of the debate? What was wrong with saying he’d take care of New Yorkers?

This all played right into our hands. The other candidates are running the be mayor of New York City. Zohran is the only candidate running to be the mayor of the people of New York City.

The Deluge

Nothing was the same after this. The materialist elements of the campaign were not only no longer under fire, but other candidates were trying to adopt parts of them into their own campaigns. Other candidates were talking about a rent freeze. Zohran skyrocketed in polling, pulling statistically even with Cuomo in a few. Zohran couldn’t post a single video on social media with a view floor lower than several hundred thousand. Media was talking about Zohran 24/7.

I’ve never seen so many people register to vote before an election. I must’ve personally spoken to at least a hundred or so. That number ended up rising to 50K, and almost all went to Zohran. At this point the campaign had roughly 35K individual volunteers. I had people coming to New York from across the country to canvass for Zohran like it was the Spanish Civil War. People were taking the train in multiple times a week from Boston and DC. No matter what polls were saying at this point, personally it felt far beyond over. Cuomo couldn’t even get volunteers for his campaign, and often when I saw them in the field they were sitting down pretending to canvass to get paid that sweet $25 per hour the Cuomo camp threw around.

Zohran decided all of that it wasn’t enough though, and just five days before Election Day we decided on the biggest endeavor yet: Zohran was going to lace up his sneakers and walk the entire 14 mile (22.5km) length of Manhattan in one day. On Friday the 20th just before sunrise, he set out. At times, the walk felt more like a parade. Zohran was getting stopped and greeted. Honked at and cheered for. Selfies nearly every block. Dozens of people would join the group and eventually peel off a few blocks later, but it was very clear that this was not your average photo-op or campaign. People felt at home around Zohran, aunties were crying when they hugged him and shook his hand, tias talking about how jealous their daughters would be that they met him, babas talking sports and offering tea, gym bros stopping their jog for a few blocks just to walk with us. Very rarely does a politician feel like they truly love the place they represent, and even more rarely does it feel that the people of that place love their politician back. On that day, there was no doubt the feelings were truly mutual.

Zohran’s Mandate of Heaven + Election Day:

One week before Election Day, and a week of early voting began. This was our first real test. Polls had been rolling in for the past two weeks, many of them statistical ties between Zohran and Cuomo in the last round of ranked choice voting. We were riding a tsunami of support that didn’t seem to slow the two weeks leading up to this point. The tide was turning on Israel’s favorability, and Zohran was more popular than ever on social media. We set the campaign goal of canvassing 1 million doors by Election Day, and we went on to surpass even that. New voter registrations were as high on a day to day basis as total registrations during the last primary. Zohran was nervous but didn’t let it show publicly. As early voting began, any worries the rest of us had left were laid to rest. Record numbers of early voters were turning up to the polls. Double the amount of the previous primary season in all boroughs favorable to Zohran. Pundits and the Cuomo campaign were trying to chalk that up the it being the relatively early days of Covid, or Zohran exhausting his pool of young voters early on, but it didn’t feel that way on the ground. I’ve never canvassed so many people who already confirmed they were planning on voting for my candidate. I’ve never seen such enthusiasm before. This carried on through the weekend, and turnout didn’t slow. The Cuomo campaign was very scared at this point, and things were only looking worse for them from there.

Forecasts for Election Day across the city were sunny, approaching record highs of >100°F (>38°C). Not every polling place in NYC is air conditioned (first world country? world’s most influential city? Anyway…) Absolutely devastating conditions for Cuomo’s significantly older, thus more vulnerable crowd of voters, who have fewer polling places, and live in far less population dense parts of the city where the commute to their polling place is much greater. We could not have asked for a more perfect set of conditions for the Zohran Campaign. Truly, he held the Mandate of Heaven.

Zohran started the morning at sunrise with a surprise press conference in his favorite part of the city, Astoria Park. He reaffirmed our affordability message and his mayoral cross-endorsements, and then went on to canvass around the city. Cuomo was nowhere to be seen until nearly noon, when he drove two blocks in Manhattan from his $8500/month apartment to his polling place, where he then stated he ranked only himself on his ballot. The two situations could not be more emblematic of each respective candidate.

It was the absolute scorcher it was predicted to be, but turnout seemingly did not yield. At the end of the day, the Cuomo team was feeling nervous while we were feeling cautiously optimistic. Many thought it would take many days of ranked choice calculations to figure out who won. Almost all scenarios predicted that Cuomo would have a commanding lead in the first round, and how commanding that lead was would determine if Zohran had a chance in the later rounds.

As soon as the first results trickled in, the night was already over. No pollster had predicted anything like this. Zohran was holding a commanding lead of 7% over Cuomo in the first round, 36% to 43%. All bets were off. Cuomo conceded just a few hours later.

Retrospective

Our voter targeting strategy did indeed work out the way we had hoped. Turnout in NYC’s most progressive neighborhoods skyrocketed, as did turnout amongst youth, South Asian, Muslim, and infrequent voters. A very important part of reaching disenfranchised voters was being able to campaign in nearly 30 languages! That wouldn’t have been possible without our >50K volunteers that allowed us to target hyper-specific areas that are normally skipped over during campaigning. Some voters hadn’t received any information about a single other candidate.

Just how well did this work? Our best precinct was in City Line, deep in Brooklyn amongst Bengali Muslims, a group that is normally thought to lean conservative. We put up regime numbers there, with Zohran winning 207/227 votes. 91%. Our last count for a DSA candidacy there in 2022 was not even 10%.

Voter turnout was up across the board, but nowhere did voter turnout increase nearly as much as the most left-leaning areas around the city. But the story doesn’t end there. Latest polling in the four way mayoral race of Mamdani, Cuomo, Adams, and Sliwa has KNOWN SOCIALIST Zohran polling in second place amongst self-identified conservative voters. Turns out that people will show up regardless of titles if you give them something worth voting for. That is the power of materialist analysis.

Campaigning is not over. In fact, it is just ramping up again for the general election. We anticipate an even greater effort to ensure there is no doubt that we have a mandate to deliver the solutions working people clearly demand. Please volunteer if you can! Even if you are not in NYC, you can phonebank from anywhere! We are always looking for volunteers, especially if you are multilingual! If you got this far, thanks for reading, and solidarity!

To Those Who Can Not Stand Zohran Or Discourse Surrounding Him:

I am very sorry and did not know about the Zohranposting ban outside of /electoralism. I promised to write this post long before that and never saw the discourse, so I am sorry that it’s crowding up your feed. I did my best to collapse the post down to be as small as possible! Either way, I hope maybe you enjoy a more detailed discussion about it instead! Thank you for your patience <3

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      congress and city government are different, his failure mode will be different. I’m seeing liberals understand the difference between him and the establishment shitbags trying to stop him. if he doesn’t deliver it’s not going to help the party, and if he does it’ll be despite them.

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      Idk how much “support” its giving the DNC. His staunch antizionism makes it impossible for them to hide behind his progressive appearance. Most likely they’ll ruin their reputation further by trying to attack him.

      Maybe JusticeDems will copy his strategy but its pretty hard to do it without becoming some sort of Marxist.

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        I mean Bernie, AOC, Warren and now it sounds like Obama are warm towards him? I’m pulling for the guy but I dunno if he has really faced many attacks by the dems yet. I think they know that embracing him will make them look better. Just hope he doesn’t capitulate

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          This might just be conjecture but I think they all just hate Cuomo and want him gone. Bernie and AOC are probably genuinely rooting for him. Obama and Warren probably see Cuomo as more of a liability.

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    GOOD post

    the day he walked through manhattan reminded me of the descriptions in the moses book regarding how much regular ppl seemed to love LaGuardia

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      I don’t think it would’ve been politically savvy of him to reject either of them, really. Why not take a phone call from Obama? Why demonize Warren? To the average person, these are popular figures, and they are glad Mamdani is associated with them. ”Oh I was worried he was like Stalin or something, but look! Obama likes him! Socialists must not be so bad…”

      If it expands his mandate to achieve the goals of the campaign, that’s what we are aiming for. We want the people of New York City to yearn for the Mamdani Regime so much so that it opposition to it by the state budget immediately opens NY state Dems to primary challenges from the left

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    Great write up. So much of the Mamdani discourse here has been exhausting without actually addressing successes, failures, and what to learn from it. From your Early Vision section, it’s clear that you found success in using a version of Maoist Mass Line politics and shaped the campaign around that. Even the staunchest anti-electoralists should see that this brings clear value to anyone trying to spread socialist ideals.

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      The funniest thing is that in many ways they handed us the situation on a silver platter. How easy will it be to freeze the rent for rent stabilized units? The Rent Guidelines Board, which decides how much to raise rent, is directly chosen by the mayor. Within the first week, mayor Mamdani can freeze the rent, which is 40% of all units in the city. He can keep it frozen as long as he decides to keep the board stacked with people who will never vote to raise the rent, which he has pledged to do.

      Within week one of a Mamdani mayoralty, 40% of renters across the city will immediately equate the socialist mayor with direct improvements in their material conditions. Now imagine we have that for YEARS and suddenly the next mayoral candidates start getting asked if they will raise the rent. So simple. Draw the line in the sand where the working class is on one side and the landlords are clearly on the other. Make everybody else answer to that forever and suddenly the socialists have a near-permanent coalition: the 40% of renters in NYC who don’t want their rent raised

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        So he can just make the current board step down and appoint new ones like that? They don’t carry out terms of anything like that?

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          It’s an 9 member board, of which all are directly appointed by the mayor. Their terms all expire within his mayoralty, so he can just appoint new members who won’t vote to raise the rent and that’s basically it. 8 members serve terms and one is appointed by the mayor to serve however long the mayor chooses.

          The latest vote by the Rent Guidelines Board to raise rents was 5-4 in favor of raising rent. That is automatically defeated with mayor Mamdani’s appointment of Chairperson, who serves no set term and is fully appointed directly by the mayor.

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            That seems too good to be true. I also havent lived anywhere with a mayor that has power over anything in a while either which I almost wish we had. We have a city council over here and it’s a fucking pain in the ass. The same real estate mogul/conservative keeps getting voted in over and over for years because he runs unopposed so there’s kinda no way to change that one vote

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        Now imagine we have that for YEARS and suddenly the next mayoral candidates start getting asked if they will raise the rent.

        avery real thing the bourgeois media will do

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    this is awesome, thank you

    his campaign is the most impressive thing the DSA has done, and I really hope other major cities run similar campaigns. In every city I’ve lived in there were never any real choices for mayor on the ballot, because literally every democrat candidate has been a neoliberal. If there were multiple democrats running at all. I hope y’all crush cuomo even harder next time

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    A question for anybody not just OP

    I feel like if/when mamdani wins, there will be a glut of local candidates claiming to be the local zohran, How do we think about these? I already see it going on. how do we assess the extent to which the local candidate is learning from this situation vs just glomming on?

    e.g. what’s required for political accountability

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      Only organizations that subordinate candidates to the org itself, with (eventual) threat of expulsion, can have candidates with accountability. For example you know that PSL’s presidential candidates would be reigned in by the org if they deviated too far or ran counter to priorities decided by DemCent.

      DSA does not have this, they flip it on its head following a bourgeois electoralist model that mostly boils down to individuals deciding whether or not to “support” a candidate through affinity groups and volunteer time. Individual candidates decide everything like bourgeois politicians do, hiring and firing staff (with frequent fallouts), soliciting campaign donations, choosing who to associate with, etc. Recruiting candidates and running campaigns generally does not start as an org activity but with a candidate announcing it themselves and then going to the org or a short conversation with a few people first.

      So you will have no way to know from org practices or standards. It will be a roll of the dice unless someone knows rumors about a given candidate.

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        Only organizations that subordinate candidates to the org itself, with (eventual) threat of expulsion, can have candidates with accountability.

        FWIW this is functionally illegal in the US. The org can expell the member but they’re still in office and can even keep running on the party’s ballot line.

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          But the org can announce their expulsion, the reasons, and cease support.

          This is also why it is important for campaigns to be financially and logistically dependent on their orgs. When they aren’t they tend to treat orgs like free labor that they can discard once in office. DSA types keep falling for it, too.

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        Like I guess that the ultimate form of organizational accountability would basically be the politician acting like an officer or committee chair would do: having some amount of latitude to act within a specified mandate but being required to file regular reports and certain kinds of decisions must be returned to the general membership for ratification or referendum.

        Once I type it out like that, I wonder if there isn’t some kind of law about elected officials being formally accountable to a private and arbitrary organization.

        Recruiting candidates and running campaigns generally does not start as an org activity but with a candidate announcing it themselves and then going to the org or a short conversation with a few people first.

        I listened to a (rare) good jacobin podcast ep that was an interview with 2 of mamdani’s DSA team and seemed to be saying they recruited him as a candidate.

        rumors about a given candidate.

        Ya this is what I’d like to avoid relying upon because a) gossip can be wrong, and b) it isn’t viable to assume all working class people have access to the correct line goss.

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          Like I guess that the ultimate form of organizational accountability would basically be the politician acting like an officer or committee chair would do: having some amount of latitude to act within a specified mandate but being required to file regular reports and certain kinds of decisions must be returned to the general membership for ratification or referendum.

          They should be subordinate to the organization in all ways political. If they aren’t, it means the org is weak in a way that threatens its ability to function and it also means that bourgeois electoralist pressures will step in to fill that role instead. Bourgeois political parties subordinate candidates to themselves by splitting this work between the party and the donors, PACs, etc.

          Having the vaguely lefty politician be a special leader in any way is common but seems to have little upside. Org splits are common and so are weak orgs that subordinate themselves to a few “leaders”.

          Once I type it out like that, I wonder if there isn’t some kind of law about elected officials being formally accountable to a private and arbitrary organization.

          There are often laws like this which is why you have to have some formalities around DemCent when a comrade is in office.

          I listened to a (rare) good jacobin podcast ep that was an interview with 2 of mamdani’s DSA team and seemed to be saying they recruited him as a candidate.

          He was already a state rep and has been doing a DSA-adjacent speaking circuit for at least 4 years doing stump speeches. I would not be surprised if there were discussions about entering this particular race, but someone that is already elected will jump around just like bourgeois politicians. But these candidate discussions are always so cart-before-the-horse and unserious, it will be a few electoralism heads starting with the politician and trying to get a job through it rather than, say, NYC DSA deciding they were going to run a candidate with specific planks and political strategy for this race 10 months earlier and getting the mass of the org working on it. The depth of planning and thought tends to be, “I think running socialist candidates is good so every time I see an opportunity I support it”.

          Ya this is what I’d like to avoid relying upon because a) gossip can be wrong, and b) it isn’t viable to assume all working class people have access to the correct line goss.

          That’s all you’re gonna get with DSA, though! Their lack of internal discipline or strategies or commitment means that you will only learn about problems through scandal or gossip. Campaign staff union busting, not paying staff, sexual harassment, racism, etc are all things I’ve hears of directly from in-the-know DSA people multiple independent times. Though usually it’s just an unserious candidate being incompetent and egotistical and losing the race because they didn’t file or campaign early enough. Because they didn’t commit to doing this in a planned way early-on, jist whenever one or two people felt like it.

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            I extremely appreciate the counter point of the counting-chickens-before-they’re-hatched-type victory laps.

            There are often laws like this which is why you have to have some formalities around DemCent when a comrade is in office.

            Don’t understand what it means?

            But these candidate discussions are always so cart-before-the-horse and unserious, it will be a few electoralism heads starting with the politician and trying to get a job through it rather than, say, NYC DSA deciding they were going to run a candidate with specific planks and political strategy for this race 10 months earlier and getting the mass of the org working on it. The depth of planning and thought tends to be, “I think running socialist candidates is good so every time I see an opportunity I support it”.

            I gotta say that was absolutely not the understanding I had from this interview. In fact they discussed how it was unpopular inside DSA to run Mamdani because nobody was in the mood for a joke candidate being defeated. Honestly these people sounded pretty serious and it was more than you could’ve made up in a post hoc way.

            Here is the link: https://thedigradio.com/podcast/how-zohran-won-w-nyc-dsa too bad there isn’t a transcript; maybe someone can use the power of computing to generate one as it’s like 2 hours long. Personally I hate to be directed to 2 hour homework on a subject I disagree with so I don’t expect that you’d dedicate yourself to it. But if a transcript were produced, the phrase 'candidate recruitment` IIRC is precisely what they say to bring you to the salient portion.

            Their lack of internal discipline or strategies or commitment

            Well they’re one of those orgs that doesn’t know if it’s mass or vanguard or whatever. How could they have discipline? Wouldn’t make sense.

            Campaign staff union busting, not paying staff, sexual harassment, racism, etc are all things I’ve hears of directly from in-the-know DSA people multiple independent times. Though usually it’s just an unserious candidate

            It’s the rule. Could blame material conditions but ideological conditions prevailing.

            Is there anything like the above about Mamdani? I’ve been going around saying “he’s too young to be involved in Epstein” and as far as I know he’s removed n span. His parents are rich people though.

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              Don’t understand what it means?

              There are various laws amounting to, “you have to represent your constituents once in office not your party”. Of course bourgeois politicians are tied by thousands of financial and professional strings to their party and to bourgeois interests, all we have is collective people and action and organization, so these are really anti-grassroots, pro-bourgeois laws. But you can just use formalities to shield candidates against them.

              I gotta say that was absolutely not the understanding I had from this interview. In fact they discussed how it was unpopular inside DSA to run Mamdani because nobody was in the mood for a joke candidate being defeated. Honestly these people sounded pretty serious and it was more than you could’ve made up in a post hoc way.

              I have spoken with a lot (maybe 50-100?) of DSA electoralists in different cities who are the kinds that are campaign managers and think everyone who isn’t doing electoralism is an idiot (their words, usually). They take themselves very seriously and then do things like not even file until half way into the season, months after the deadline, even though they had a candidate and their chapter’s support. There is a massive disconnect between how most electoralists think of themselves vs. how they actually act and resistance to internal self-criticism is part of why that dynamic exists. Constant self-promotion is a pre-emptive defense against critics but ends up damaging their own effectiveness.

              I’m sure with just a few questions we’d find some substantial cracks in the idea of calling this an org-led campaign. I already asked in this thread whether DSA NYC had any red lines that would lead them to expel Mamdani. OP did not answer, instead making reference to a national anti-zionist position that was recently adopted and will surely be used only for explicit zionism and not triangulation or qualified stances. The answer is therefore either no, the org is not prepared to do anything like that and therefore has no specific political agenda of its own that Mamdani is meant to forward, or OP is not aware of this kind of information about NYC DSA (they have a reputation for unprincipled electoralism volunteerism and resisting accountability / discipline for those elected). Another question would be whether they filed on the first day they could like basically every Dem. Another question would be how they decided on campaign staff and how the structure ensures strong engagement from at least one committee.

              Here is the link: https://thedigradio.com/podcast/how-zohran-won-w-nyc-dsa too bad there isn’t a transcript; maybe someone can use the power of computing to generate one as it’s like 2 hours long. Personally I hate to be directed to 2 hour homework on a subject I disagree with so I don’t expect that you’d dedicate yourself to it. But if a transcript were produced, the phrase 'candidate recruitment` IIRC is precisely what they say to bring you to the salient portion

              I scanned through it and didn’t hear any answers to these questions. As I would expect they have electoralism-focused committees and claim to focus on recruiting candidates as an agenda, but this tends to look, in reality, like the “we don’t actually have any real political agenda” unseriousness I described. “We want to win elections” “for the working class” but the best they can describe in that interview is trying and failing to raise taxes.

              Incidentally of the two people interviewed, both are from the right wing of DSA that regularly works directly against the Marxists and are the most Zionist. Socialist Majority and Green New Deal people. To put it simply, these are smarmy people who are full of shit, and I can say this with very high certainty about one of them.

              This is exactly what to expect from people who are really just campaign careerists. That is what they want to do and it is not balanced by principle.

              Well they’re one of those orgs that doesn’t know if it’s mass or vanguard or whatever. How could they have discipline? Wouldn’t make sense.

              DSA chapters have kicked people out before based on their politics and DSA at the national level has fucked with chapters like in Atlanta. DSA is incoherent and dominated by liberals who have only started a basic socialist education - and many self-arrest at a fairly liberal SocDem position and become appropriators of socialist language. They flex muscle to help their tendencies.

              Rather than struggling to establish discipline in such an org, the players in question are actively opposed to it when it comes to their “electeds” (they call them that!).

              Is there anything like the above about Mamdani? I’ve been going around saying “he’s too young to be involved in Epstein” and as far as I know he’s removed n span. His parents are rich people though.

              I haven’t checked in with NY people in a while but I will probably get a chance to soon. To be clear, Mamdani could be fairly clean and a personally nice guy that makes his campaign staff and volunteers happy and there would still be the most important problem of this being about “getting people elected” rather than constructing a coherent political agenda for which they will be the vehicle. The most dangerous political enemies are people with high charisma who present themselves as vaguely aligned and obtain power, then reveal exactly how uncommitted they are to basic socialist principles. This also applies in non-DSA, non-electoralist orgs and it’s why internal organizing is so important.

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      I think an actual track record of standing by their positions is probably the most important aspect. How you verify this can be up to interpretation, but like somebody else said, being active in DSA is a pretty good sign, since there is no outside motiviation for doing so beyond genuinely holding those positions

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      For me, it depends on if the candidate is DSA cadre or not. Cadre candidates are much more likely to hire socialists on their staff and keep in contact with their endorsing chapter.

      The paper members that get endorsed I think are a lot less committed to DSA and don’t actively recruit into DSA.

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        DSA doesn’t have cadres or cadre members. A local chapter might keep track of who attends meetings. “Paper members” is just a general term for inactive members and you would have no way of knowing whether a person was this without soliciting opinions from many members who have been active for years.

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    First of all:

    When the question came to Zohran, he answered “I would stay here in New York City to do my job and address the needs of New Yorkers across the five boroughs.” At this point the Zohran HQ was hooting and hollering because that’s a great answer and we knew exactly what would happen next. The camera cuts back to the moderators, who tossed aside their rules to ask the only follow up questions of the entire lightning round:

    Moderator: ”Mr. Mamdani, can I jump in here– Would you visit Israel as mayor?”

    Jesus fuckin’ christ lol. What a great opportunity for Mamdani to show how fucking slimy these people are, good for him. And

    Latest polling in the four way mayoral race of Mamdani, Cuomo, Adams, and Sliwa has KNOWN SOCIALIST Zohran polling in second place amongst self-identified conservative voters

    Now THAT is really impressive. I kinda feel like this was the case with Bernie, too. At least my mom only voted for Trump because Bernie was shut out by the DNC, so it’s really cool to be able to see that kind of information with ranked-choice voting. I knew that he did cross-endorsements with other high profile candidates too, so I think he’s got the election in the bag if all of those who voted for his cross-endorsement candidates end up voting for him, even without the conservative vote. Thanks for sharing this, all of what you shared is super encouraging. Beyond voting for Mamdani, do DSA folks have any ideas as to how to try to mobilize/agitate the masses that you were able to connect with?

    I have another question that I asked several people during the struggle sesh and those folks chose not to reply to me. It’s kind of a gotcha, but I think it’s also a very legitimate question since this is an argument in favor of him that I’ve seen over and over, and I hope you might be able to give some sort of answer.

    So according to some people, Mamdani’s public position isn’t to “abolish the police”, nor can he even say “defund the police” now because that would hurt his chances of winning. The thought is that he is playing 5D chess, and instead of saying those things publicly, he will simply not give the NYPD any funding increases while he is in office; as inflation increases it will essentially amount to defunding them. Now, the NYPD has a union, and their contract expired a couple of months ago. That means that they are likely in the middle of contract negotiations at this very moment, without any of his input. Since they have a long standing union and they don’t need to create proposals from scratch, it is possible that the contract could get ratified before he would even take office, unless the city is really dragging their heels…but with Eric Adams in charge I would really, really doubt that. On top of that, if there are any articles in Tenative Agreement right now, even if he DOES take office mid-negotiations, he cannot reverse those TA’s without the police union agreeing to renegotiate the TA. Their contracts are also in effect for 8 years.

    What is Mamdani’s strategy around this? Because from my knowledge, there is no way that he can keep this promise. He will not be able to divert funds from the PD to social service workers mid-contract unless there is language in the contract saying otherwise, and it is EXTREMELY unlikely that they will not be able to negotiate any sort of increase to their budget.

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      I think the way he cooked the moderators with that answer was a real turning point. The way that blew up online at the same time as the tide was turning against Israel gave him such a moral high ground boost.

      I’d like to point out that the polling in second place with self-identified conservatives has NOTHING to do with ranked choice voting, which only exists in the primary. He is outright the second choice for self-identified conservatives.

      Obviously there is no DSA vanguard or anything, but the experience gained has been so immense. This really has been such a high profile race from the moment it started that it shows DSA can be competitive even with the spotlight on it and in high stakes high turnout elections. It has certainly energized and mobilized many people, especially young people, but we’ve really only just started. DSA membership grew rapidly during the primary, and we expect it to do so again during the general election. The idea here is to get them active with the Zohran campaign, and find a way to keep people active and engaged in helping inform people/popularize/roll out Zohran’s plans to govern.

      Regarding the police contract, unfortunately I’m not as keyed into that info as I’d like to be. What I do know, however, is that they are trying to make it a hot potato situation and force Zohran to juggle it. We definitely predicted something like this. As I understand it, if his hand is forced to accept it then that’s that. However, Zohran’s strategy is something along the lines of attempting to genuinely work something out. Social workers would genuinely make officers safer and free up their current resources to be used elsewhere, which they may be able to be swayed with. It amounts to an effective budget increase to them if they don’t have to use resources elsewhere. The problem here is obviously hoping the police actually act in their best short term interest but undermining long term interest. The real win may lie somewhere in between, essentially making such a strong social worker network that it can’t be fucked with the same way the police budget can’t be. This could involve fixed spending percents, clauses tying police budget increases into mandatory increases of the social worker budget, etc. They are absolutely going to try to wage bureaucratic lawfare, so we have to be prepared to wage it back where necessary.

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        I’d like to point out that the polling in second place with self-identified conservatives has NOTHING to do with ranked choice voting, which only exists in the primary.

        Damn I didn’t know that, that’s awesome.

        Well I hope keeping people engaged in the campaign goes well. I know the DSA Chapter in my town also offers picket line support for striking workers and they often go to other org meetings in town, could be cool to get people involved in things like that during and after the campaign.

        if his hand is forced to accept it then that’s that.

        You mean to accept the contract? Yeah I mean if it is ratified before he is elected, and like I said if most articles are TA’d, it’s out of his hands and the city would need to abide by what’s stipulated in there. I could totally be wrong and perhaps negotiations haven’t started yet but I find that unlikely. I will try to do some digging to see if I can find any updates on all that. That said, though, he did backtrack on some of his previously vocalized beliefs in favor of this “5D chess” plan or whatever, which comes off as disingenuous to me. Like, I am extremely familiar with how union negotiations and contracts work and it would be nothing short of a miracle for him to be able to actually shrink their budget, even considering inflation, because they will have wage increases, equipment/uniform/tech increases, etc. all very clearly outlined in the new contract and how much it’ll increase by year by year. Although this strategy was something that people came up with here and may not be an official strategy of Zohran so it may not be so much disingenuous as it is other people putting words in his mouth.

        Social workers would genuinely make officers safer and free up their current resources to be used elsewhere, which they may be able to be swayed with.

        Very true, I live in a town where one of the oldest mobile crisis units operated, and I think they took something like 20% of dispatch calls annually? I have also worked in social services for 7+ years; I think that investing heavily in social services would be a boon to the community, but there has been a massive backslide in a lot of places in favor of criminalization, and I think it’s going to be damn tough for him to overcome the stigma around mental illness, poverty, and addiction, even among “progressive” voters. Especially because building up programs like this can take time, like several years…even if he can roll it out in a year or less, the kinks may take a couple years to be worked out and the general public just have no fucking patience to wait and see new ideas pull through, so then they over-correct to “law and order” shit. I just found this article talking a bit about it though, and it does sound like if he is able to conglomerate those separate departments, that could really be a great shortcut.

        clauses tying police budget increases into mandatory increases of the social worker budget,

        This would honestly be a pretty badass clause to introduce as a counter-proposal when arguing for wage increases in their union contract.

        I’m a skeptic, but I do hope he wins (and am very confident that he will). I hope that he won’t capitulate to the liberals, but I’m not holding my breath, been burned too many times. That said I am definitely interested in seeing where all of this goes and I think that either way it turns out it will likely be a win for socialism - if he is successful, more people will see that maybe socialist policies ARE the better alternative. If he fails, he seems savvy enough to expose how establishment politicians on both sides are snakes and it may radicalize people even further.

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          the general public just have no fucking patience to wait and see new ideas pull through, so then they over-correct to “law and order” shit.

          we need copaganda shows but it’s a crisis team talking people down instead of cop shit

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        ranked choice voting, which only exists in the primary

        Is the actual election not ranked choice?

        DSA membership grew rapidly during the primary, and we expect it to do so again during the general election.

        curious about this:

        what is your onboarding like?

        what’s your/DSA’s read on the people who are recruited this way? Are they fairweather friends who are joining what looks like a wining campaign? Curious people interested in change who could be revolutionaries? Activists and organizers from other venues who are willing to join another email list? Politically naives inspired by a personable candidate who seems to have integrity?

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          Nope! The actual election is FPTP.

          I think those that join are a solid mix. You can kind of see that working out here on this post. Some are inspired by the org, some inspired by the election, some inspired by each other. How active any individual stays in the org is unfortunately not consistent and hard to predict, but I would argue that over time those most engaged will typically undergo at least a small amount of meaningful radicalization.

          I find the onboarding to be rather boring and lacking in direction. I understand that things are supposed to be horizontally organized, but there should at least be a buddy system to help walk somebody through the first month or two of being active.

          My advice is to really work on figuring out how things work for a month or two, and then look into caucuses you align with. The much more deep and dedicated organizing happens there imho.

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      Without looking at the contract, my assumption would be that anything impacting an individual (wages, benefits, seniority, etc) would obviously be locked down, but department-level things like staffing levels and quantity of OT might have less guarantees.

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        This is very possible, but again it all depends on what is in the contract. Generally contracts relate specifically to working conditions but if the union were able to strong arm the city into concessions like staffing levels, which other unions fight for often (ie teachers), then that would be something he can’t control. Overtime is also something that can be written into a contract, like there can be mandatory overtime clauses. Usually that’s something that the bargaining unit fights against though.

        Also, it is possible that depending on the scope of work of this new department, that the cops could argue that these new positions would be taking work out of the bargaining unit. I think that’s a stretch, but also just considering every angle they might play to keep this thing from getting off the ground.

        I’m also curious exactly what powers the mayor has over the PD, exactly? Like they are surely not in control of them on a day to day operational level are they?

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      No hard lines within DSA that I’m aware of other than a resolution that recently (embarrassingly, barely) passed to be clearly anti-Zionist and finally enacts some hard lines that are enforceable. It applies to members, elected officials, and endorsed candidates

      I believe this is DSA finally realizing it has the ability to flex some of the muscle it has spent so much time building up and holding electeds accountable. The anti-Zionism resolution is a start that needs to be expanded on

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          No one at convention had anything nice to say about Zionism or Israel. Main objections I heard on the floor were people worried about the expulsion language e.g. “Can this be abused by leadership?”.

          The answer I think is obviously no, DSA just doesn’t purge people - we’ve never done that. Our main criteria for expulsion is already the comically vague language of being “In substantial disagreement” with DSA politics; if people were going to wield expulsion as a weapon in political fights it already would have happened.

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    Does it seem like Zohran will have enough support from city officials to actually accomplish anything? Does the state government seem likely to interfere?

    My only real concern is the long-term consequences of someone like Zohran winning and then being caged by the system around them. If none of the larger goals are realized, surely people will feel betrayed unless there is some serious effort to educate everyone during the process.

    Really cool of you to post this, please keep posting as the campaign goes on. I’m very interested in this type of info. I’m thinking real hard about engaging in electoralism again because of this. I live near some cities that would be perfect for these kinds of campaigns.

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      In running a materialist campaign, it was really important to really drive home the things we know are possible even with the establishment throwing the kitchen sink at us. What good would making all of these promises be if we really couldn’t achieve them at all? All of the main campaign slogans are well within feasibility for Zohran to implement as mayor, some completely independently and others with very little outside help. The idea is that these are 1) very achievable and 2) very popular, and that will allow us to expand the mandate for further action.

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        the things we know are possible

        having read the fantastic OP and the subsequent convo, this is really the takeaway for me.

        You sit down with your committee and make a list called “what the mayor [or title of elected official] can do”. maybe the list has columns where you place the mayoral powers according to what they can do with different kinds of support. But ultimately, for a campaign which is conceived of (at least in part) a mass education programme on the virtues of socialism, the “things the mayor can definitely do under any circumstances” should receive the most attention and form a substantial portion of the platform. You want to show effectiveness. Consult the laws, bylaws, previous controversies, histories, staffers, activists, people who show up at all zoning meetings etc. Consider the gradient according to likely allies and enemies.

        A while ago I was explaining to someone about why I thought the Mamdani situation was interesting. I showed the video about halalification where after a very easy to understand, brief narrative, he explains the reforms that could address it and furthermore names the current resolutions which are ongoing to do so. There’s a lot of details missing but the idea is clear: “the status quo is a shitty exploitative situation. it can be changed and I am seeking the power to affect such change.” Furthermore it humanizes rather than demonizes the people who are the front line of an unpleasant and tense economic situation.

        On the converse: my experience of leftist electoral intervention is that they make a platform based on a sort of watered-down revolutionary positions. In their committees, they sit down and make a list called “what people might go for”. I guess they want me to vote for their candidate on the basis that if elected, this person will be very annoying by always tabling motions that everyone else will vote against, or being the sole vote in opposition to whatever stupid shit the capitalists are pushing through. A lone moral voice. Who the fuck gives a shit about that.

        A while ago, on the way to work, I got handed a sort of general leftist leaflet from a group that sometimes puts up candidates. Because I was in a mood of not giving a fuck, I showed it to a co worker friend who read it over and said, “ya that sounds nice; I’d like all these things” and laughed. And I laughed. Because it was a very silly leaflet. Nothing resembling a plan of action. Just a platform like: higher wages, lower rents, childcare, fight racism, etc. It makes us (the left) look stupid, ineffectual, unrealistic. It was embarrassing to show it to my coworker because I know they know I am a bit sympathetic. These groups run for positions they won’t win, on platforms that they couldn’t implement even if they did win. And the platforms aren’t even what they actually want or believe in. It is such loser shit.

        Nice to see a leftist who does not appear to satiating their public humiliation kink running for office.

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        Does the state not have ultimate authority over pretty much everything? I know the state has blocked the city from passing quite a few things that were barely progressive like road tolls in high traffic areas and plastic bag bans.

        I’m not from NY and don’t know a ton about it, I’m just researching the laws and such as I go here. I promise I’m not trying to be oppositional, I just don’t understand how a mayor can enforce a rent freeze (or any policy) if the state says no and the state gov doesn’t seem to be even left of center.

        Surely the Dems will ratfuck Mamdani to make him seem ineffective? I guess maybe overturning a rent freeze in such a populated part of the state could cause Dems to lose elections, but they’ve shown they aren’t afraid to sacrifice themselves to maintain the status quo.

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          The state has some control, but not enough to stop all of these. We did pull through with the congestion pricing for high traffic areas and it has remained in effect despite the federal government and lawsuits to take it down.

          Ironically enough, the easiest part of the agenda is the rent freeze. The mayor of NYC pretty much has direct control over whether there is a rent freeze or not. The Rent Guidelines Board decides to raise rent and by how much. It consists of 9 members, all of which are appointed by the mayor. 8 serve terms that will expire during a Mamdani mayoralty, and one Chairperson who serves directly at the mayors behest. Currently the board is a balance of 5-4 in favor of raising the rent, so Mamdani can very easily change that Chairperson and the balance will be 5-4 in favor of freezing the rent. As his term goes on, he will get to replace the other members and further consolidate the board with members who will never vote to raise the rent.

          Things like free bus rides or affordable childcare are funded partially by the state, but the state is in a very difficult position right now if it chooses to oppose these very popular agendas. NYC is half of the entire state of New York in terms of economic power. DSA in New York could very easily threaten the position of some of the Dem’s top brass elected officials. It has become very apparent that the establishment in NY are aware of this, and governor Hochul has been making some obvious (relatively, for a Democrat) pivots to the left after Zohran’s primary victory. Personally I think this is signaling her willingness to work with him. It would massively bolster her own popularity if she did.

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            Thank you so much for this post and your replies in the thread

            The mayor of NYC pretty much has direct control over whether there is a rent freeze or not

            Is there a significant chance that this power will be removed before Zohran takes office?

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            Thank you for giving such in depth answers. This sounds pretty fucking awesome and it could definitely snowball into something even better.

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          Do you have links to any of the stuff you’re reading up on to share? I personally don’t think it’s oppositional to ask pragmatic questions about how his platform will be carried out effectively; not doing that and just running off good vibes is idealistic. We need to be realistic about our expectations and about what we can actually achieve through the current government channels

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            https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-administration-orders-halt-to-nyc-congestion-pricing-meant-to-fight-traffic-and-fund-mass-transit

            New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy, a Democrat, had fought the tolls and court and wrote a letter Trump on Inauguration Day imploring him to kill the program.

            New York Gov. Kathy Hochul also had misgivings. Last June, she abruptly halted the tolling system’s planned launch, citing concerns about its impact on the local economy. The Democrat then revived the toll in November following Trump’s election, but reduced the toll for passenger vehicles from $15 to $9. Since then, she has lauded it as a win for the city and has discussed the issue multiple times with the president.

            Apparently Hochul blocked it and then brought it back after Trump won (likely because she knew trump would stop it anyway? Idk)

            https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/what-they-are-saying-governor-hochul-announces-pause-congestion-pricing-address-rising-cost

            I’m struggling to figure out exactly how NYC is governed by the state, but it seems there is a mix of what’s called Dillon’s Rule (cities only have specific powers granted by the state) and Home Rule (cities have to follow state law, but can go beyond it). I don’t have any useful links for this one.

            https://hypocritereader.com/99/rent-update

            I’m not entirely sure how reliable this blog is, but it seems to be credible. This is the part that concerns me:

            The Urstadt Law is a 1971 state law that forbids localities from enacting stricter rent control than imposed at the state level. It is the reason that New York City’s rent regulation is governed by state law; NYC cannot bypass Albany’s input to make or strengthen its own tenant protections.

            There’s more, but I don’t have a ton of time right now. I’ll reply again if I remember to and add more of what I found

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              Cool thank you! I wonder if the NYC tolls would somehow breach the commerce clause in the constitution and that is why the federal government were able to intervene? I might be able to get an answer on that and I’ll get back to you if I do.

              The rent control thing seems pretty straightforward as it’s written that it will not be possible for a rent freeze to be enacted at the snap of his fingers… But yeah, maybe there is something we are missing…

              Edit: It seems that the Rent Guidelines Board that CoolerOpposide mentioned is in charge of setting rent guidelines for units that already are governed by rent control regulations, so maybe the prior article is saying that he can’t freeze rents for ALL units.

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                Yeah, I think your edit is correct. The rules are already in place that allow him to freeze rent, so it’s not actually outside of the law. I’m pretty sure the state could still block it if they really wanted to, but it would probably be a serious threat to reelection for dems.

                As for the tolls, I really don’t know. I think maybe it’s just trump doing whatever without any real regard for laws, but I’m sure they can twist it around in some way to make it “legal”

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      I’m thinking real hard about engaging in electoralism again because of this. I live near some cities that would be perfect for these kinds of campaigns.

      I’ve been thinking for a while now about how the greatest return for my investment of any political energy I have left (after donating time and money to Bernie’s presidential campaigns) would be to try to get my city to adopt ranked-choice voting (or even allow it as a first step). The way I look at it, a socialist (or any less-than-mainstream) candidate has a major uphill battle in any city or state with traditional first past the post voting, because that system practically forces people to vote for the dreaded “lesser of two evils”.

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        I agree with you. Everything about the mamdani (to be confirmed ; knock on wood) victory has to do with ranked choice. I don’t see any analysis where this happens without it.

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          There are about 20 states that have some form of ranked choice voting in at least one city. About 20 states have also banned it completely (proof it is better for the people imo).

          Seems like most of the west coast could use a similar strategy in primaries. Ideally there would be a separate party apparatus in place to maintain momentum when the Dems inevitably ratfuck them.

          Basically, run candidates as Dems but at the same time build a separate party in the background. Wait for Dems to do dirty shit and as soon as they do, use it as a catalyst for moving people to the other party. Idk, every time I think about this kind of shit I start thinking about how rarely these plans work and Mao was probably right

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          Thanks. Now the main election is apparently not going to be ranked choice, but it will probably still work out for him at this point since he’s still the favorite and everyone else is splitting the anti-Mamdani vote.

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    Thank you for the insight and the breakdown. I hope he wins, and I hope he doesn’t ever have to give a halfway answer to a question about Israel again.

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        Israel can definitely exist with “equal rights.” The United States does. They just have to kill, displace, co-opt, or otherwise neutralize enough of the indigenous population before giving them rights. If the Western left redefines antizionism to this weak version that would accept an Israeli victory as long as it became a liberal assimilationist state, we will have abandoned Palestinians and the question of decolonization.

        It’s functionally equivalent to 2SS Zionism after Israel gets to devour the new Palestinian state in that scenario.

        You’re posting on an online forum, the stakes for you couldn’t be any lower so it’s worthwhile to get it right. I understand why Zohran had to compromise on the debate stage.

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          Oh don’t get me wrong, one state solution of Palestine with reparations for the Palestinian people is the only real solution. I’m just saying that I still think that’s a dogwhistle.

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            FWIW, I think it was a great answer. The question “do you think Israel has a right to exist?” isn’t a real question. It’s a cowardly rhetorical trap designed to either reinforce Zionism or paint someone as an antisemite, same with “do you condemn Hamas?” Even if he gave the “based” answer, he’d still be playing into their hand in a setting like that. The question itself is a Zionist dogwhistle, and Mamdani did well to not fall into the trap.

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        Honestly this was how I interpreted it. I can see how it could be interpreted otherwise IF someone wants to be uncharitable but I really don’t think Zohran has done anything that deserves us not giving him the benefit of the doubt.

        Thank you for the write up!

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        Yeah I remember and didn’t have too much of a problem with it. Banning it from a general comm like cth because “I’m sick of it” seems like a bit of a different beast though

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        Is that technically still even enforceable given the recent struggle session that resulted in them being demodded?

        That being said, I did agree with the ban because there were only posts complaining about how Zohran wasn’t the One True Socialist or Communism Messiah, which were just kinda dumb, in my opinion.

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        Is this hyperbole or did a mod genuinely ban posting about a topic because they don’t like it? I can understand banning shit for being off topic or whatever, but “I’m tired of it” sounds more like a reason to stop being a mod…

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          It wasn’t just him. Me, him and others discussed it because their had been a couple back to back instances of rage bait style posts in the comm. This is the most active comm with the largest reach on the site, good target for bait. I’m not a mod here so I couldn’t post it myself or I would have.

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            Might be a good idea to offer better explanations for these kinds of things. Seeing a mod ban a topic without any real explanation beyond they’re tired of dealing with it isn’t going to help the site keep people around. I tend to take things too literally, but there are quite a few autistic users here so I imagine I’m not the only one.

            Not to mention this mod in particular seems kinda burned out. The other mods/admins should be looking out for these things and forcing people to take a break or something. Even just to protect their fellow mods from unreasonable stress. Idk, I’m just concerned about the wellbeing of the mods and sometimes communicating to users more clearly can reduce the backlash, which would reduce the stress of modding.

            Anyway, not sure why I’m typing all of this and I’m gonna just send it before I delete it

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          It’s cause they didn’t like the struggle sessions and struggle sessions baiting. I actually agree with it for the most part. I’d rather chat in c/electoralism cause it’ll be less prone to a struggle sesh tailspin. That comm could use some activity anyway and Zohran is pretty much the ideal topic.