• hexonxonx@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    18 hours ago

    I find it astounding that Americans STILL think there’s democracy in America.

    It’s gone and it’s not coming back for a long, long time.

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      18 hours ago

      And that’s why many people won’t vote. Defeatism is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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        17 hours ago

        Ding ding ding.

        These were the same exact people that helped Trump win.

        Democracy is still here, we just have to actually fucking participate in it.

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        16 hours ago

        Defeatism was beaten into us by defeat after defeat after blatantly undemocratic defeat.

        And it’s just electoral defeatism. You can’t beat the master at his own game because he’s the one that makes the rules.

        Try a little revolutionary optimism instead.

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        16 hours ago

        We the people aren’t afraid of this, but if the establishment dems catch wind of a primary challenger who’s left of center, they will come down so hard on them with millions in DNC attic ads and literally try to cancel the primary if they have to to keep them out.

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          It’s why Mamdani’s win was such a big deal. The establishment was all about Cuomo and they still aren’t lining up behind the voters pick.

          The thing is it looks like the party will be happy to let their bigger names just refuse to endorse him. Media will spend the next few months attacking him for being a scary socialist. And the dnc will suddenly lose track of their “vote blue no matter who” bumper stickers and be happy to fundraise for cuomo as an independent.

          I’m sure though they will send Mamdani and old button making machine or something so they can claim that “this is why we don’t run far left candidates, maybe next cycle we could run Liz Cheney instead!”

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          The key is to vote for the left of center candidate regardless of how much donors spend. Show them that we are going to vote for who we want and that they can’t derail it no matter how hard they try. We need to get comfortable with saying “no thanks, we’re good” when they try their bullshit. This is literally what happened with Mamdani, and why both the DNC and Republicans are freaking out about it.

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            15 hours ago

            Yep, do this every time. Unfortunately voter turnout in primaries is so abysmal that the ad spends seem to often work. By the numbers, the candidate who spends more money wins over 95% of the time. It’s a depressing reality that has led Dems down a very dark path of chasing donor money and abandoning their constituents in the process.

            I’m apparently a freak of American politics and do basic due diligence to research beforehand if the primary is contested and find the most progressive contender possible, but I think most people just don’t give care enough to do this sort of thing and usually just vote for the name they see more on TV. So, I think increased civic engagement is another very important part of solving these issues.

            We should invest in our electoral process and make it the envy of democracies around the globe, and as Americans, should be damn proud to do so.

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      16 hours ago

      Then why have Congress vote at all? Why didn’t Trump just use an EO to put all the provisions he favored in place?

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        16 hours ago

        It’s much easier to stifle open revolt with sham elections. Putin has been doing this for decades now in Russia.