• WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works
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    15 hours ago

    Unfortunately that won’t do anything. Democrats are not prepared to actually use the power they have as state officials to resist illegal federal actions. So you outlaw law enforcement from wearing masks. They keep doing it anyway. Then what?

    I see zero indication that Democrats have any intention of using force to stop ICE from violating the law. These ICE agents are already flagrantly violating the law. This arrest is flagrantly illegal. Yet are they using any of their states’ out of control police budgets to provide armed police protection to state lawmakers? No. They’re just letting duly elected representatives be illegally arrested.

    This is why the law you’re talking about is purely performative. It’s meant to generate headlines, but it won’t actually move the needle.

    States need to actually start using force against federal agents that are violating the law. Will this risk escalation and civil war? Yes. But if you’re not willing to risk civil war to protect the most fundamental rights of the citizens of your state, then you have no right to be a leader in a democratic country. You’re too much of a coward, and you’re simply not willing to fight to defend your freedoms.

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      14 hours ago

      The rational position is to legislate. If you’re tired of all branches of government being intentionally broken by bad faith actors and just want to go full on civil war right now, there’s no need to specify party affiliation.

      I see zero indication that Democrats have any intention of using force to stop ICE from violating the law.

      Legislation IS the force. If you’re talking about squads of deputies militarized out the wazoo, that’s a state or federal agency which varies. And is separate from legislation anyway.

      We’re all super pissed off so I’m not saying don’t “have the Democrats use force”, whatever that means, I’m just saying it’s 100% appropriate to legislate these agencies.

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        7 hours ago

        Is there a world in which we do both? Because I don’t think the courts are on our sides, but I don’t think that means we don’t try every avenue. I think it’s feeling like we are seeing the writing on the wall and they are going to continue to escalate. Where is line?

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        14 hours ago

        I want the executive branch – the California state executive branch – to execute the laws of the state and protect its citizens from tyrannical thuggery.

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            6 hours ago

            If you’re referring to California suing the Trump regime over their illegal commandeering of the California National Guard, the appeal of the lower court ruling in favor of California is still in process.

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            11 hours ago

            The Constitution is nothing if people are not willing to protect and defend it.

            We’re not getting though this passively. We’re not getting this done through courts alone.

            Really soon we’re going to have to make people, particularly those wearing badges and masks choose a side first, and go back to the courts to see who was right after.

            I just hope it’s done in an organized way, where those people DO have a choice. Just disobeying orders as a lone soldier or officer is not nearly as effective as being part of a group.