I’m not gonna congratulate Canada on not completely shitting the bed. The Canadians were going to vote in a Trump-like conservative until Trump started banging on about Canada being the 51st state. If Trump kept his mouth shut, it would have been curtains for the Liberal party.
Canadians did not vote for the Liberals based on their record or policies, they voted to tell Trump to fuck off. The moment Trump is no longer a threat, the unity dies and everything swings back to the Conservatives, which isn’t a good thing.
With any luck the Conservatives will split back into two parties. It’s unlikely, but the splitting of the Conservatives would be a welcome surprise.
Yeah it was a close election. We absolutely did not reject Trump with any consensus. There’s not as much to celebrate people think.
What people don’t know is the Conservatives here have had a revolving door of leaders in search of a Trump-like candidate. The past several election cycles have been this way. The party has sold their soul to MAGA style politics a long time ago.
They just had the best showing ever in this election even though it was a loss. And this is with the best Trump wannabe candidate they’ve managed to field thus far. A belligerent authoritarian-like tyrant with zero shame. They are not going to stop this any more than the Republicans would to turn back from Trump. They may even keep the current guy even though he lost his own seat.
Canada will inevitably elect a conservative government. It’s a defacto two party system. It will all go to hell. Especially if MAGA is still ruling America at the same time.
Also, Mexico
The really irritating thing to me is seeing the Trumpanzees mock Canada, talking like this is the end of Canada as a country.
No self-awareness, no realization that Trump’s policies are the direct cause of this. They can’t conceive of any way to advance their interests beyond people just abasing themselves before Trump.
Trumpanzee - I’m nicking that!
But it’s offensive to apes.
True. Apes would never let a trump-analogous-ape rule over them. That kind of ape would get the shit beat out of him and he’d cower in a corner thumb in mouth.
Sure, sure, but, if politics were sane, Carney would have been the conservative nominee and there would have been no fear of fascism.
To be fair, we basically just elected a Biden-style neoliberal who is slightly to the right of Trudeau. As affordability continues to gradually decline, our Trump (Poilievre) or a similar guy will be even more empowered. We’re basically a few years behind the USA right now and your right are actively trying to speed it up.
I’m on record as saying even if the US had elected Harris, we’d be right back on the precipice four years after. Maybe Trump, maybe someone else, but it would still be awful.
As badly as the world needs Luigi right now, he’s not the long term solution.
The liberal party should pass the electoral reform they promised so more political parties can compete on who can beat conservatives the best.
Stopping the conservatives is the priority… right?
The liberal party honors their promises… right?
Electoral Reform Videos
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems
We’re basically a few years behind the USA right now
People said that when Trump was elected the first time.
Bold of you to assume OP doesn’t live in Turkey or Israel.
Isn’t he a banker too? I mean, it IS a normal leader now that I think of it.
The propaganda train remains strong up here regardless. Half of the west is losing their mind every day pretending that Carney is some kind of secret nightmare that is going to soon be revealed, thus we’ve all shit the bed and will rue the day.
Canadian conservatives are 40% of the voters. That’s already way to much. And they using the trump book more and more: lie, lie and blame the left for fucking anything, some things will sticks. Even if I’m glad he was elected to deal the american shit show, the guy is still a fucking banker who’s first action was to remove the carbon taxe. While we have to deal with the toddler from south who wants to annex us, the climate crisis wont fix itself magically.
I already see Canadian tankies complaining about how right-wing Carney is.
Stephen Harper when he was leader of the Conservative Party offered Mark Carney a position as Finance Minister.
So Conservatives sure thought he was far enough to the right to be a Conservative.
I mean the guy is a straight laced professor of economics who wrote his thesis on the advantage of competition. He’s not exactly a working class hero. However, it could have been way worse and anyone who can’t see that just needs to look at the US to find out what happens when you don’t vote for the lesser of two evils.
IMO anybody who promotes competition and antimonopoly is a working class hero.
“Competition” is not a working class interest. Solidarity is.
Yeah well Monopoly isn’t solidarity, it’s oppression, so fighting that is good in my book.
Lesser of two evils, lesser of two intellects, lesser of two personalities, lesser of two qualifications, lesser of two accomplishments, we did all of that and then some. I’m happy for you all. I just wish we could have also rejected fascism.
Supporting lesser of two evils just gets you more and more evil, and eventually you get to Trump.
The implication that I believe you are missing is that all humans are to some degree evil, and that goes doubly so for the type of human that finds themselves working in the world of politics.
It’s tongue-in-cheek, and that was very well known when the phrase originally came out.
The subtlety seems to have been lost over time.
In a rigged game, the illusion of choice is just a clever disguise for us to walk down the only path available.
I think this is more like multiple paths that are all in the same narrow valley, if pollievre had won that would have led to a different path for sure
- fuck tankies
- i DO think it is fair to lament that the state of the world has anyone in a place where they must strategically vote for a fucking banker to protect you from something worse
The Canadian Overton Window shifts to the right, regardless.
I’m not sure I’m following but I want to, Carney was a banker which is bad but he is considered a necessary evil against Trump? I would totally understand that, as Canada might be really fucked without a good leader right now. I suppose this banker will need to prove himself, but if you an actor has been able to protect Ukraine (most of it) against Russia a banker doesn’t sound like a bad choice.
That aside, do people here think Carney is equally left/right as Trudeau was or do you think the liberals will have very different direction under his leadership?
So yes but actually no.
Carney is the Liberal Party, a centrist party, leader and therefor PM. Polliviere is the Conservative party leader and they have less seats so they don’t get to pick PM. If Polly got in, which is to say if his party had more seats than any other individual party, he would be Pro-Trump and his party in general is very Pro-Trump.
Most people agree that Trudeau was slightly more left than Carney, but many are upset that the New Democratic Party, the left and social democrat party of Canada, lost seats and have never held a PM position but honestly they would be crazy to expect anything else.
The identity crisis many leftist canadians were facing is whether they give up on NDP and vote Liberal or whether they allow a conservative PM. I’m sure they want empathy more than answers, right now.
Well it looks like they’ll need the NDP to form their minority government. The NDP should give their support contingent on changing the voting system to something better than first past the post.
They won’t have this much bargaining power ever again.
They had this much bargaining power with the previous government (also a liberal minority supported by NDP) and they weren’t able to use it to push electoral reform
my point was more that bankers are the embodiment of the banality of evil and pp is the embodiment of true mask off evil
Hmm in that case I wouldn’t know I’d prefer the masked or the unmasked evil, hard to say. Good points can be made for both I guess.
you absolutely want the masked evil. it’s survivable. the mask of evil is putin, trump, and poliviere. it’s hitler, stalin, and mussolini. the result of giving the mask off evil power has always resulted in deaths in the millions. the problem with banality of evil types is less that they are evil and more that they are the “good men” who do nothing, allowing evil to succeed. the point of leftist thought is to cordon mark off evil away from power. you will encounter “leftists” who advocate for the mask off evil types in hopes that this will galvanize the populace into fighting back against dictators, but history doesn’t bear out that that’s what happens. mask off evil types are extremely good at dividing the lower classes and thinning them one group at a time via genocide.
and if you pay attention to accelerationists, no amount of terrible is ever enough to galvanize the people. the point of something is what it does, and accerationists are always in lock step with the right wingers they claim to resist
I think I’ve heard to many people say “well at least he’s honest about it” and got confused. Restrained evil is definitely more preferable than evil on the loose.
And if the conservative had won they all would have suddenly become optimists “the bright side is that this will weaken the western empire and accelerated the revolution of the working class!”
you don’t have to be an authcom to see that carney is to the right of trudeau; he canceled the carbon tax, the capital gains tax hike, and is in favor of building more oil pipelines
no matter who won, canada would shift to the right. all we could do is decide by how much.
(and either way, all 3 of them - trudeau, carney and poilievre - are neolibs who support the genocide in palestine)
Just for clarification, he cancelled the consumer carbon tax. It was pretty much just a move to screw over PP (and I’m all for that honestly)
He cancelled the carbon tax because the name had been beaten up by the Conservatives. He promised to replace it with something similar but more palatable to the general public. I loved the carbon tax but agree that half the population was against it because pretty much they hated the name.
He explained in depth his reasoning for both of those decisions and if you listen to him its because the carbon tax failed to accomplish its goal and he is going to tackle the problem another way.He still supports the issue he is just trying a different solution.
For the cgt its because Canada has entered a trade war with its closest trading partner and he is planning to do massive investment in Canada and doesnt want a cgt hike disincentivizing investment.
Do you disagree with this reasoning?
Right wing does not mean unreasonable. It means right wing.
But he still has a left wing stance on those issues.
Lowering taxes on capital is not a left wing stance. It just isn’t.
Anything to the left of the Liberals is “tankies” now?
People to the left of Liberals aren’t Tankies, but Tankies whinge that the winner is not left of Liberal. They would probably also whinge about an NDP PM. The only outcome I can see them celebrating is conservative victory. Tankies are scum of the earth.
The discourse on Lemmy however is a tendency to use “tankie” as some kind of othering identity marker. If I, an NDP and QS supporter, raise my hand and say “excuse me but Carney is a right wing Liberal, and I’m not comfortable with how the Overton Window has shifted to the right in Canada”, there is a clear narrative that will lump me in with the Others, right? Who by virtue of being tankies are therefore traitorous to Canada and therefore, hello, here’s the old red scare trope of “fellow travellers”, “pinkos” and “useful idiots”. Let’s not pretend that’s not the case.
You’re right, demanding we expand NDP while throwing the election to conservatives does make you a traitor accomplice. And regardless of figure of speech, there is no virtue among tankies. If you want to move the overton window left then remove as many conservatives from office as possible, that is the only path forward.
You don’t have to be a tankie to see that Carney is a red tory.
Fuck tankies too. Many Canadians are understandably concerned that a guy slightly to the right of the status quo which gave rise to Poilievre is not going to make anything better for us.
Ah, the enlightened centrist has bestowed the ultimate and correct opinion.
yeah yeah well our broken country will still infect them like a mold so nanny nanny boo boo.
Yeah, our smug cloud has completely dissipated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmG64mVQV3g
