• imogen_underscore [it/its, she/her]@hexbear.net
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    they are kinda right especially about doctors (GPs). and school in its current state is totally evil. a lot of privilege being displayed in this thread by people who clearly haven’t thought critically about this stuff beyond “well I’ve never been mistreated by a doctor or a teacher”. try putting yourself in the shoes of a disabled person or trans person or a person of colour or a woman, groups who are routinely abused or neglected by these professions.

    • FlakesBongler [they/them]@hexbear.net
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      2 months ago

      Like all slogans, it’s convenient, brief and simple

      That’s why it took off

      The truth is often inconvenient, lengthy, and complex

      Which is why it’s easy to lie and manipulate people

  • GoodGuyWithACat [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    I think the question to ask here is: can someone in the profession use their power for liberating people.

    Cops: hell no, best you can do is oppress slightly less or arbitrarily give people a pass

    Teachers: there’s entire fields dedicated to making education more liberating.

    Doctors: difficult with the for profit medical insurance, but healthcare is a human right and I won’t say actual providers of healthcare are equivalent to pigs

    Do modern healthcare and education systems reproduce inequality at large? Any leftist with an ounce of sense will tell you yes. But what system in America doesn’t reproduce inequality? Is there a single one? Hell you can look at the litany of ML and anarchist organizations which are reproduce inequality with chauvinistic leadership and sex pests. Does that mean nobody should form a revolutionary group?

    • D61 [any]@hexbear.net
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      I wonder if maybe we should push others to interpret the “C” in ACAB to be more than just the actual occupation of Cop/Police.

      There’s the phrase, “Kill the cop in your head,” that I think is supposed to mean that we’re indoctrinated with the certain ideas that cause oppression and our initial response to things will be as “a cop.”

      I don’t think anybody who is pointing out that certain people are trying to do good by being in certain professions is wrong but being a teacher or professor or doctor or psychologist as a job doesn’t automatically “kill the cop in your head”. Horribly, it can give “the cop in your head” a huge amount of opportunity to oppress others.

  • kristina [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    farmers are cops because they want to be paid, and are withholding food. centrist

    in fact everyone is a cop because you are partaking in a hierarchy at any given moment. moms are cops because they are telling you not to touch the stove. the universe is a cop because i am bound by the laws of thermodynamics.

      • Erika3sis [she/her, xe/xem]@hexbear.net
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        especially with leftists conflating farmworkers and farmers

        Yeah for real, how can any leftist not understand the difference? How can anyone here actually have sympathy for farmers?

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          Not using the correct words maybe, landlord or business owner, would clear things up.

          You say “farmer” and somebody is imagining a dude in coveralls riding a tractor around a field for funsies. Not porky-happy

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            A big part of it is really that this whole image of the humble, hard-workin’ independent farmer has been cultivated in order to obfuscate the actual nature of modern farming.

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              “Im a plumber!”, says the guy who owns a plumbing business but hasn’t touched a pipewrench in 20 years.

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          farmer the word does not concretely indicate a class position though, simply saying ‘farmer’ and expecting someone to infer the geographic and economic context making the statement about a western farm owner instead of a tenant farmer or smallholder will obviously get people twisted

      • kristina [she/her]@hexbear.net
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        Oh yeah I mean the large landowners can get fucked. People that do their own farming are fine, a sweeping generalization here isn’t the best, there wasn’t say, 100% of kulaks doing terrorism like cops are.

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            peasants are people who toil a land they do not own and must give up all their crops to a singular person or entity (who owns the land they work on) for little to no payment. peasants are also forced to be tied to a specific plot of land due to geography or by social contract. very, very few american farmers or farm workers that do work fall into this category. there are a number of poor american farmers that could be described as tenant farmers (they rent the land e.g. via mortgage to a bank and are able to sell their produce). a large group of farmers own their own land and do their own work. some own their own land and do a majority of their own work but pay people to do the hardest work. and then there are the worst offenders, where they own a ranch and sit on the porch watching all of their indentured laborers from mexico toil in the fields like they are southern gentry lording over their slaves. they then have the gall to act like they are real farmers, listen to country music, wear overalls, and ride in giant tanks called ‘pickup trucks’ that are spotless and have never seen real work.

            then there are the corporations that do the ranch thing which frankly might be preferable to a small business fascist farmer. the closest one can get to a peasant in america is probably one of these no-visa campesinos from mexico working in the fields.

  • Parsani [love/loves, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    Brb gonna go tell the grad student who is paid less than minimum wage to teach a class that they are actually a cop

    spoiler

    Do not take this as uncritical. Prison architects design school buildings and dorms to be like prisons. The Prussia model of education is about making disciplined drones for the status quo. Tear it all down tbh.

    • Are_Euclidding_Me [e/em/eir]@hexbear.net
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      Hey, I was at one point a grad student. I was never paid less than minimum wage.

      In fact, I was paid more than groundskeepers and janitorial staff at the university I worked at.

      I say this not to say “pay grad students less”, but just to point out that the job “grad student” isn’t the miserable crushing poverty that people make it out to be. It just isn’t. Sure, it’s the closest to poverty that many people in academia experience, but it’s nothing like the real thing. The real thing is experienced by the staff of the university.

      Also notice how in academia there’s this idea of the university as a community. The non-faculty staff of a university are basically never considered part of this community. They keep it running, they make sure that students, faculty, and administration have nice clean facilities, but those facilities are not meant to be used by janitors, cooks, groundskeepers and the like. The people who take care of the facilities are not the same people who use them.

      Sorry, I know this comment is pretty unrelated, but I think it’s important to keep in mind that even though grad students are often treated pretty shittily, it’s simply not the same as how janitors, groundskeepers, cooks and so on are treated.

  • RION [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    Spitting in my doctor’s face when he tries to give me antibiotics for my infection (I am the revolution’s strongest soldier)

    • DerEwigeAtheist [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      Fuck doctors. Medicine, as it exists now, is there to create and maintain a “clean” society, not to help people. But to cure society of undesirables. With wast powers over their patients. This is stuff anyone who is in anyway disabled or dependent on modern medicine will tell you. It’s not just the insurers and drug manufacturers, it’s all the way down to how medicine is taught as well as researched and how doctors are taught to behave around and treat patients. Like, Fuck Doctors. It is a fascist profession.

    • 7bicycles [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      I also see it for teachers tbh. Like individually or based on unions as a group it’s not like they go cop horrible but also I don’t think most school systems are all that great for children

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        Boy do I have some stories from my time at school.

        • Yelled at and written up for wearing my lunchbox as a hat when I was 5 years old
        • In middle school, one of the teachers habitually screamed at her students so loudly that you could hear her from adjacent rooms
        • Written up for touching a paper cutter. Not using it, not even moving the arm, but just resting my hand against it.
        • Humiliated in front of a class for saying that separation of Church and State meant that America wasn’t a Christian nation
        • A history teacher who had an open and explicit policy of grading football players more leniently
        • Recurrent substitute science teacher who pushed young-earth creationism and said I couldn’t be an atheist because I was a nice kid
        • A playground aide who had a habit of saying “don’t come to me unless you’re bleeding” and yelled at my brother for coming to her when he was bleeding
        • So much capitalist indoctrination I don’t even know where to begin

        I had some good teachers growing up, but they were definitely the exception. By no means does the profession belong in the “inherently illegitimate” category with CEOs and landlords, but I fully believe that under capitalism, it’s an indoctrination and enforcement arm of the bourgeois.

          • TheLastHero [he/him]@hexbear.net
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            you don’t even know the half of it man, coaches and college recruiters will take football players out to restaurants, hook them up with girls, hell multiple investigations caught athletic staff buying cars for players. Especially in the southern united states, high school and college football is a state religion

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              To play devil’s advocate the south is just shitty like that and maybe having them rally around sports is the most benign option.

              Short of dramatic overhauls, of course. But that takes time and money and this is the United States where time is just used to measure how long until the Rapture happens and money is for cops and military.

              So again, distracting the confederates with football might be the least worst we get.

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            Pep rallies are mandatory events where they corral all the students into the gym to make them clap and cheer for the football team.

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            My own probably got me primed to take a bunch of real conspiracies and CIA ops seriously when she taught us about the US sinking their own vessel, the USS Maine, to provide a casus belli for the Spanish American war. second-plane some tricks never get old

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      I was practically frozen when I read about how in many black and indigenous communities, psychiatrists are still doing the old shit like electrotherapy. And often for the same imaginary shit that ticks cops off.