The fall of the Western Roman Empire, also called the fall of the Roman Empire or the fall of Rome, was the loss of central political control in the Western Roman Empire, a process in which the Empire failed to enforce its rule, and its vast territory was divided among several successor polities. The Roman Empire lost the strengths that had allowed it to exercise effective control over its Western provinces; modern historians posit factors including the effectiveness and numbers of the army, the health and numbers of the Roman population, the strength of the economy, the competence of the emperors, the internal struggles for power, the religious changes of the period, and the efficiency of the civil administration. Increasing pressure from invading peoples outside Roman culture also contributed greatly to the collapse. Climatic changes and both endemic and epidemic diseases drove many of these immediate factors.

The disintegration of the Western Roman Empire unfolded gradually during the Migration Period (c. 400–800 CE), as waves of migrating and invading peoples reshaped Europe. After the death of Theodosius I (reign 379–395 CE), the last emperor to govern both East and West, the empire was formally divided, leaving the weaker Western half vulnerable. Over the following decades, military defeats, economic strain, and internal instability combined with external pressures from Visigoths, Vandals, Huns, and other groups, eroding imperial authority. The conventional “fall” is often dated to 476 CE, when Romulus Augustulus (reign 475–476) was deposed, or to 480 CE, with the assassination of Julius Nepos (reign 474–480), the last legitimate Western emperor.

Yet Roman power and traditions did not vanish overnight. Latin remained the language of administration, Roman law and coinage persisted, and successor kingdoms drew heavily on Roman models of governance and military organization. Italy, Gaul, Hispania, and North Africa came under the control of groups such as the Ostrogoths, Visigoths, Vandals, and later the Franks, who both disrupted and assimilated Roman traditions. Rather than a sudden collapse, the Migration Period marked a protracted transformation, blending imperial legacies with emerging medieval political and cultural structures that would define Western Euroasia’s future.

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    Pros of Gentoo screm-cool

    • Source based distribution but does not break FHS/Shared objects. NixOS by contrast is statically linked by derivations: meaning that a tweak to a shared library will cause mass rebuilds and the Nix store has no heuristics to distinguish between hash changes at all and probably never will due to the binary cache being “good enough”
    • Entirely self-sufficient: git forge hosting, precompiled package build farm, bug tracker, wiki, IRC, etc compared to NixOS’ reliance on GitHub and AWS compute.
    • All packages are stored in a git repository just like nixpkgs, but unlike nixpkgs, gentoo does smart things like making that package DB rsync’d to your machine and rate-limiting people who sync too frequently. Setting up your own repository is very easy as well as your own binary host (equivalent to nix binary cache).
    • Will make you incredibly independent and curious.
    • No Andurilist-Palantirist takeover through terrible community decisions and burnout.

    Cons of Gentoo doggirl-cry

    • Smaller community and less available funds compared to other distributions (still manage to self-host all their infra).
    • No nixpkgs modules which honestly are a killer feature. Also far-less packages (and older packages) and no isolated package installs/shells like with Nix (though GURU, the gentoo AUR has more).
    • You still are expected to compile packages from source every once and a while esp on use flag changes such as not compiling polkit with systemd which I did to avoid pull in GObject (I had to re-compile systemd anyway because I needed cryptsetup support for crypttab). You are also expected to compile any packages not part of the subset of system profiles they support (so if you use COSMIC you’re on your own, etc).
    • Some of the gentoo wiki is underdeveloped (the arch wiki supplants this and is definitely necessary to fill in the missing bits).
    • If binhost goes away that would be very unfortunate and me using gentoo is contingent on it being present (otherwise you’d want to spend some money on a decent build host to serve binaries to your machines). Gentoo developers use binhost so that’s unlikely and they’d most likely warn people if that were to happen. Binhost also isn’t perfect ESP if you’re fine tuning some packages.
    • No nixpkgs modules which honestly are a killer feature

      SO true. Including home-manager, these things are just incredible.

      The one thing that I’m really thinking about is what you said in your top-level comment:

      One downside of gentoo is that since so much of the onus is now being placed on you

      I just know I don’t have that much energy and should get something that might do a bit of that for me, especially for the stuff that I don’t care about. That’s why I was thinking about debian.


      no isolated package installs/shells like with Nix

      On the other hand, no fuck ass FHS/shared objects problems. (Good luck trying to do any programming without first spending time making a shell.nix or flake)

      You still are expected to compile packages from source every once and a while

      Not too bad. My main PC which I am looking to migrate is kinda really good (12cores/32gb) so it should be relatively quick.

      and me using gentoo is contingent on it being present

      Probably same.


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        The good thing is that Nix can be installed on non-NixOS systems as an option ;-)

        I just know I don’t have that much energy and should get something that might do a bit of that for me,

        It’s more like you’re now being given the choice of creating your own distribution. However, you also have the choice of how far you want to take it. You can re-compile your whole system from source to support your own optimizations or you can use binary packages for everything. You can carefully study your systems loaded kernel modules and customize your kernel build to only include those modules or you can just use the pre-compiled distribution kernel and then think about optimizing your kernel later or not at all.

        Or as mgorny puts it in “Why Gentoo”

        And what’s perhaps equally important is that almost all of this “choice” is opt-in. While we want to provide flexibility whenever people need it, we also want to provide good defaults. Ideally, you should be able to customize what you care to customize, and leave everything else at the default, and have a good experience.

        Also creating your own packages on gentoo is far easier than Debian which is very unfriendly to newcomers (even to CERN when they were moving their machines to Debian from RHEL).

        Not too bad. My main PC which I am looking to migrate is kinda really good (12cores/32gb) so it should be relatively quick.

        I have a 8th gen 4 core CPU and compiling ffmpeg and Intel’s media driver only took around 2 hours in the background (mostly Intel media driver be such a hog). So your compiling story is going to be more than fine.

        • I should install gentoo. With -optimize-everything-until-compiling-1line-takes-an-hour

          No but actually, I had gentoo installed at one point. I don’t think I quite appreciate the defaults back then. I do see now what mgorny is saying.


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