This is something I find odd. There are allot of communist groups on Lemmy and more and more Americans think they like communism probably because they don’t even know what it is. However what’s funny is there has never been and is currently NO communist countries in existence.(FULL COMMUNIST) Literally.
It is an actual imaginative concept and its just strange none of these people realize it. I don’t care if you’re communist. But just do it, like make it happen so you all can see the flaws in it and realize its wishful thinking.
I’ll tell you why communism doesn’t work. It’s missing the root word (community) you all don’t come together outside of online groups and occasional marches.
So have you noticed this?
UPDATE: Not one country named yet. Some odd reason capitalism is being argued about. Deflection? Who knows. The question has come to a conclusion the answer is communist in fact do not know that communism is not a thing in the real world. Thank you all for your statements, positive and negative. I will no longer engage in this post amongst you.
There are no anything countries.
Show me a true democracy, a wholly capitalist country, an entirely anything country. There aren’t any.
This is the reality of living in a complicated world - nothing is black and white.
Those systems are flawed and inefficient but they a predominant parts of the country, usually integrated through the entirety of the country and enforced by others accepting it or dumb laws making it mandatory. Communism has never been even close this is the difference.
No it isn’t. There isn’t a difference.
You asked for an example of a “FULL COMMUNIST” country.
I’m saying that no-one can for exactly the reason you can’t name a fully democratic country or a fully capitalistic country.
The truth is people are messy and the world is messier still.
If in asked for a full communist country why the hell you not telling me one? Fine how about an 80% one or a 70%?
I promise I’m not trying to wind you up, but I’m not sure what the first sentence means - sorry!
As for the second, there’re five countries that identify as communist right now - but I’m sure you’re aware of that, otherwise you wouldn’t have put that caveat in the original question.
China claims to be a third of the way there. You’re going to need to relax for a bit.
The communism ideals are great. Problem is, they historically fail when put into practice. Funny thing, it’s because of power hungry assholes. That same reason is why democracies fail, why republics fail, why monarchies fail, why theocracies fail and so on.
If only there were a pattern here that we could learn from. One person with too much power and eventually, you’ll get an asshole so mad with power they bring the whole system down and we have to start over.
The more parties, check, balances, laws, and red tape, and the like help stave it off for longer, but nothing lasts forever. There is no perfect system that can’t be undone by assholes.
I really wish the founding fathers had split the executive into a tribunal.
In the early days, the runner up became the vice president. I think that kept things more tempered instead of the all or nothing we have now.
yeah but I would like 3 positions of relative equal power.
Benevolent dictators can happen by accident, but never by design. A system designed to govern fairly will inevitably be abused by people who have no intention of fairness. You can place as many obstacles in their path as you wish, you can’t stop them forever and eventually they will get around them all.
That’s why any place with a fucking brain at minimum massively controls the assholes and at maximum puts them to death.
A place that enjoys freedom can exist, but what cannot happen is allowing the greedy assholes to strip away protections.
Though when money IS everyones’ “god”, the rich and greedy are more divine than us plebs…
The many keep allowing the few to ruin it all.
Good people don’t want the power. They want a nice easy peaceful life surrounded by loved ones. The assholes strive for power and authority. A few good people try to make a difference.
Even if you tried to make a legislature out of regular citizens forced to do the work like jury duty, it would get twisted and regulated like current jury duty.
“Communist” countries fail because of Vanguardism. Putting all your power into one organization, and that organization puts all their powers into just a few individuals, sometimes just one person; I mean… its a recipe for disaster. No one can be trusted with that amount of power.
Good point. For a community to have one leader is antithetical and shows they aren’t even implementing their own system
Although as another commenter pointed out, see Rojava. Or the Autonomous Zapatista Provinces, although the two are quite different in many respects.
One way to look at this is the concepts ‘communism’ and ‘country’ don’t really work together. The modern nation-state requires a level of bureaucracy and scaling that is not really compatible with communistic ideals of egalite. It should also be noted that there isn’t really a completely anything country. China calls itself communist but uses capitalist elements. America is arguably the most anti-communist country but uses plenty of centralized regulation and subsidies. And each has a subset that is deeply in favour of more or less of each of these elements. The idea of having anything ideologically pure is the real childish notion here.
China isn’t not communist because they engage with capitalism… They’re not communist because their entire system isn’t communist…
When there’s one party, one ruler, and one set of people that get to rule over the rest … that’s specifically NOT communism.
Even if they didn’t engage with the world market, made every business a coop, they would still not be communist. At all.
That’s kind of why I think ‘country’ and ‘communist’ are not really compatible. I don’t think it is possible to have a faithful execution of communism at the scale of an area like China. They’re obviously closer to communism than some places but also just as obviously not there.
China
They’re obviously closer to communism than some places
What? Lmfao 🤣
China is not even remotelt close to communism, its an authoritarian state-capitalist regime.
Yea, I agree in the general sense, although you will always have something akin to countries so long as the entire world isn’t literally communist. Thus making the distinction rather pointless.
Since a theoretical communist society would be stateless, the idea of a fully communist country is an oxymoron. Instead you have countries claiming to be transitional states that are laying the groundwork for true communism at some point in the future.
If you make a box and then complain that nothing fits perfectly into the box you made, it doesn’t mean that box shaped things don’t exist.
Yes.
So?
What’s communism?
Exactly
No, seriously, try and answer it.
What about Rojava?
I mean there are many countries that call themselves communist. Seems like really early on lenin was trying but he ultimately had to start dictating to get things done. cuba after castro may come closest. hard to say.
You kick at empty space. Dumb move! You strain a muscle.
You kicked a doorway with an open door, a broken door, or no door.
https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Door#Messages_about_kicking_a_door
In before the tankies try to claim China is totally seriously communist, no really.
It seems you’re making the oppposite mistake retard conservatives make, by pretending that actual communism would be so bad if it even could exist in a world dominated by capitalist global trade.
I’m making no mistakes. Only the communist way of putting their system into reality seems to be mistakenly done
It has never existed and cannot exist next to capitalism. You are making MANY mistakes with your asinine post.
Silly goose I’m not pro capitalist. Capitalism is fairly new on a large scale. You can’t blame it for the lack of communist countries. Firstly not all countries are even capitalist.
Wait, what? Capitalism is literally as old as the world’s first job.
I’d love to hear what you think capitalism is.
Jobs existed in feudalism…
No it’s not as old as the first job. You don’t even know what the first job was. For capitalism one of the main objectives is profit. Not everything was about profit the way it is now and days. Profit is over compassion, philanthropy, community and ultraism. Go back before the industrial revolution and you won’t see profit reigning over all of those just mentioned to the unhealthy levels it’s at, outside of examples akin to kings or conquerers who turnt into dictators that wanted “it all”.
Having a job does not mean you generate or have the goal to generate money. It’s simply a task that you do in your current position of live, for a duration to get to a goal result, or for life. Jobs exist without capitalism but capitalism doesn’t exist without jobs. This is why someone’s job can be running a nonprofit that does not care of profit for profits sake.
I’m not even going to bother to explain why capitalism today isn’t even capitalism because of monopolistic practices and the lack of competition. You can just reread what capitalism is and see how it resembles “capitalism” but doesn’t utilize it’s system. This is why the middle class is going extinct and the lower class never had businesses on average.
That’s all interesting and all, but that still doesn’t tell me what you think capitalism is.
I’ll skip the step where you ask me how it didn’t answer the question:
Your first paragraph says that people are greedier now than ever and that before the Industrial Revolution, nobody was greedy except for everyone that was.
This was news to me since all this time, I simply believed the historical records that claimed that people had been killing each other over property since the beginning of civilization.
The second paragraph disputes the definition of the word job. I concede this point. The word job means something a little different to everyone, and there’s no point in arguing semantics.
The last paragraph is nonsense. Capitalism isn’t capitalism anymore because capitalism feels like capitalism but it’s capitalism isn’t capitalism? I don’t fucking know.
So, what do you think capitalism is? Because nothing you’re saying is actually true according to the definition of capitalism.
Killing someone for property isn’t the same as putting profits over most other things. One is robbery the other is cold business practice. It doesn’t matter what I think capitalism is because the dictionary exist. I’m going off what IT IS not what I think it is
rofl way to say you don’t understand how the world works without just saying it.
So funny. As funny as the lack of success the communist movement as achieved, less, or more funny? If you disagree explain why
Your glee with engaging with your own ignorance is just pathetic.
Your statement was ignorant. You claim I don’t know how the world works but you won’t teach me. Probably because you don’t know how the world works. Also why don’t I know? Eleborate, I’m guessing you’re a communist so go on contribute to the community. Tell me.
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I’ve been banned from politics communities on Lemmy for asking pro-communism people to give me an example of a successful communist country lol. The mods know they can’t, so they censor.
That’s because it’s always a bad faith question and people who ask it are never interested in actually discussing it or learning.
It’s also a problematic question because different people have different ideas on what constitutes “success”. A free market capitalist will consider all socialist states to be failures, while a communist will consider all capitalist states to be failures. So what metric do you use to measure success?
I’m not even trying to make it “political”. I really want to know if they notice this or are they going with the let’s dream about it vibe.
I get that - I’m just saying that the pro-communism people know that they’re selling a lie. They know communism doesn’t work - or at least they’re too stupid to be able to put 2 and 2 together and get 4.
