Inglorious Basterds tattooed a Nazi, so they can never hide.
We should do that.
What if they eventually change tho. Then they just have to explain their shitty past to everyone. A Nazi without a brand can just become a normal person. Once you brand them, you give them a reason to never change. Why would they if they’ve been told that’s all they’ll ever be?
Punishments like this assume people can’t change or that bad people never become good.
We’re not better than them because we can match their cruelty, we’re better because we recognize the humanity of everyone, even “monsters.”
Edit: a word
A lot of people are not mature enough to hear this. The ideal outcome of meeting someone you dont like is that person changes over time to be better, hurting them just drives them further away from you.
You dont “fix” an abused dog that barks at everything by hitting it.
Then how do you fix it? What is your mature wisdom that magically solves the problem of fascism without harming anyone?
I aint saying we brand Nazis, but I also don’t think we should be treating them like an abused dog. They arent afraid from trauma and abuse. They want to dominate and abuse others. An abused dog does not seek violence, it lashes out because it feels threatened and cornered. Nazis are looking for violence.
It is ok to punch Nazis. If they don’t want to be harmed, literally all anyone is asking of them is to stop being Nazis. It does not seem like a big ask to me
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You gonna quote where I said that or are you gonna keep arguing with a strawman?
Edit: nah ya you right, we should just kill them lmao
Well good thing Nazis arnt dogs and don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt an animal with sub human intelligence gets.
This very much. I understand the sentiment though. I think we need to start changing the narrative. Let’s ask Trump supporters what they think the government exists for? What should a government do? Why even have one in the first place if it’s not there for it’s citizens? I don’t think they look past their nose for a thought and take what propaganda they are given at face value. We need to open the dialog and ask them what they think a government does, then ask them how they expect to see those things become a reality.
If they are just full of hate, nothing can be done, but if they’ve been led down the wrong road, how do we correct them? By showing them the way. Ask them what a government should be doing and ask them if the current one is doing so? Not just with words, but with actions too. All one can do is try. The game is rigged against you, but at least we can show them the board they are playing on?!
I bet they’ll love it if you tell them that you’ll “drain the swamp” of government corruption and fight against child rapists.
You get it
There’s too many of them and they’re ruining the country. We have to do what we must and if they might have come around in 20 years too bad they’re a Nazi now and we got work to do. We can be nicer to the stragglers after naziism has been firmly put down
A serial murder killed a hundred people. But maybe he’ll change. Surely he learned that killing is bad… just let him go free.
I mean it seems unlikely but what if they could be rehabilitated? Instead of keeping them as a prisoner indefinitely we might be able to have them contribute something to society?
Perhaps. But are you willing the explain that to the next 100 victims?
Why would you let them return the society if they weren’t rehabilitated?
Because for too many people it’s easier to just give up and do horrible things to people they decide are horrible than to try to make any better meaningful changes.
I’m Jewish and I have no problem with violence against Nazis or fascists but I draw the line at shit like “kill them all” or whatever. That’s for the top brass, taking away some random person’s chance to learn from their mistakes and grow isn’t worth it.
I think it’s an oversimplification to say that many people just give up and start being arseholes. I think most of it is education and their treatment and experience in their formative years including in utero. They either don’t or can’t think through the full consequences of their choices or they’ve been conditioned to think the shitty action is fine.
People can be educated or reeducated at any age which can help them understand why their actions might suck.
Fixing a person broken by fetal alcohol syndrome or years of mental or physical abuse is a lot harder if it’s even possible at all.
Does branding them or murdering them benefit society? How are we any better than those people we branded or murdered, should we then not be branded or murdered ourselves for doing objectively evil things? Where does it end?
Certainly people who do bad things should be imprisoned, but the goal should be rehabilitation rather than retribution.
Peacetime is a lot different than war where it’s kill or be killed, but war crimes are a thing for a reason. The Nazis did some truly horrific things, but the Americans murdered 2 million odd Vietnamese in the Vietnam war, many of them civilians, many of them suffering horrible deaths being burned alive or being doused with agent orange, should we also start carving symbols into the faces of Americans because they supported horrible things, or even just not giving individuals a chance for rehabilitation?
A complex political system is not the same as the acts of a single person. The Nazi killing machine had lots of people involved that just did small things far removed from the actual killing. Eichmann organizing the trains is a big example. There are countless clerks, secretaries, technicians, bookkeepers, machinists, drivers, kitchen staff, technicians, and so on that kept the system running.
There are countless human scum nazi who were fine with their neighbors being murdered as long as they stayed comfortable, even as they worked for the killers.
For too many people, admitting being wrong and a hate-filled savage clothes-wearing monkey, so easy to manipulate and they fell right in like a mindless idiot… is a fate as bad as death.
I once believed like you, but I’ve slowly come to realize a lot of people refuse to change. It’s not that they’re incapable, but they just don’t want to.
So they pretend to change instead because it’s easy. Then a couple of decades down the line they start to drop the act and go back to being terrible.
If someone becomes a Nazi then there already was a shitton wrong with them for them to even turn that path.
I believe in redemption; but I believe also that once you go that far right, it is hard to redeem at all.
If they want to redeem themselves, they should try:
a) opposing all forms of authoritarianism
b) neither spouting nor consuming hatred against anyone who’s not a billionnaire
c) and they should oppose all billionnaires, especially the ones that don’t do either of the above.
Basic decency requires very little effort. I’m going out on a limb and say that the only good fascist is a dead one.
People who just had godawful opinions should be spared. People who spread the propaganda, all while pretending to be “moderate, christian-democratic conservatives” should be not.
being a nazi is an immutable decision and is not taken lightly. THIS IS WHY IT IS SO SERIOUS.
The guy from American history x was a reformed neo nazi, and he was ashamed of his tats, but I don’t think he got rid of em. I haven’t watched it in a while though.
neat. movies are movies.
Pretending real people don’t change or grow is itself an ideological lie. During the Civil War there were white Confederates whose beliefs changed after seeing that the story they had been told about how slavery was beneficial for and enjoyed by enslaved black people was a lie. And they didn’t just change their beliefs, but defected to the Union. There were Confederates who joined in on Sherman’s march when the opportunity to defect presented itself. Considering that Naziism is literally founded on the same principles as America’s chattel slavery system, the idea that anyone ‘tainted’ by such ideology is incapable of changing is ahistorical.
Whether or not they were the majority (they weren’t) is irrelevant when the claim being made is that people with monstrous ideological beliefs are incapable of changing. Racism isn’t a magic spell that creates a zombie you can treat as an NPC, it’s a belief system that can be dismantled like any other.
I bet plenty of Nazis becomes Nazis because they lack love and a community, not because they just hate others. Well, plenty become Nazis for that reason as well
if the community you choose to become part of involves genocide - it’s still a choice one makes to become part of it. are you trying to say someone who actively helps a genocide can be reformed in such a manner that the stain of their choices can be forgotten by those who were victims?
No
I’m saying that I believe there’s Nazis that didn’t become Nazis because they just wanted the Jews gone but because they felt like they had nowhere to go. At least if you listen to some ex-nazis that found their way out from the funnel of hatred and loneliness.
This obviously doesn’t forgive any crimes committed or the hatred spewed, but Nazis are still humans and thus not a homogen mass driven to hate by the same reasonsedit: this is of course true for all hate driven groups. If you can’t find companions who loves, there’s always company in hate
“I’m worried that
the babyByteOnBikes thinks people can’t change” People can changeif they’ve truly changed, they’ll accept the brand as a sobering reminder of their past.
kinda like how Germany keeps Auschwitz as a museum.
While I’m neutral toward the message of your comparison, I just want to point that it kind of falls flat because Auschwitz is not in Germany
I prefer the cutting the swastica on their forehead
city officials: we were never nazi sympathizers
director: ok i’ll use newsreel footage
city officials: from today on you didn’t let me finish we were never nazi sympathizers from right now.“Hey this guy says he’s not a Nazi. All of Germany and I haven’t met one Nazi yet.”
-Frank Perconte, Band of Brothers
Interesting fact about Austria in the context of WW2, Austrian fascists (Austrofascists) and Austrian Nazis were political enemies. The Austrofascists were opposed to the Anschluss and the Nazis were in favour of it.
Makes sense, Nazis were pan-Germanists (revisionist idiots) and proper Austrian fascists would want the empire back.
Also, the actual Baron Von Trapp was an Austrofascist. Disney white washed the fuck out of that story.
This is such a much better movie watching it today than when I watched it as a kid.
Right?! I had forgotten like half of the movie was not as musical but a very serious historical drama, lol
