hi, I ended up here in the US as a result of a right wing coup in my home country. I have had relatives with first hand experience of war, civil war, famine. it’s not something I take lightly which is why I am so appalled at the Democrats treating Palestinians like they’re expendible.
We don’t have a popular vote, due to how the system is arranged my vote hasn’t once mattered in decades of electoral participation. You’re kidding yourself about the influence of the fediverse if you think my comments had any impact.
I’m apathetic about voting, I’m actually extremely active organizing in my community against this shit. I find the people scolding about votes while doing fuck-all otherwise to be the ones making it worse.
It’s okay to be appalled, it’s normal. I’m appalled too. But because of our shitty, two party system, you are basically made to choose between the lesser of two evils in swing states. Choosing to not vote, or to vote for another party risks this exact outcome. While your vote in your state may not have had a direct impact (I’m willing to relent on that for now), what you say online (Lemmy or otherwise) or in person can convince someone in a swing state to also be apathetic, and that’s what hurts. It only has to affect one other person in a swing state, and then they’ll also spread their apathy to other voters in the state. It’s not a huge logical leap to consider.
When I say that you’re apathetic, I’m only talking about your voting habits. I know nothing else about you or what you do. I’m also not sure how trying to show how this behavior could result in our current situation is “making it worse”. I’m not trying to be insulting here, but if this apathy continues for the midterms (if they actually happen), it could very well convince some people to also not give a shit. I don’t want others in states where it really does matter to see your comments and think it’s all good to become entirely apathetic.
What really got to me was your comment about not caring about getting sent to the camps. Your relatives experiencing pain and trauma is one thing, but to experience concentration camps yourself is another thing entirely. You saying you don’t care about that could also be seen as you saying that you don’t care about the rest of the community being sent there, as well.
I’m not sure I buy the apathy contagion theory, I have a hard time believing anyone is actually swayed by me.
frankly the comment about not caring about getting sent to the camps was mostly being edgy to the guy doing the vote scolding like it even makes a difference now. maybe the Democrats would have been less bad overall, but after their past actions I have no reason to expect that Palestinians would be any better off under them.
my vote is a no-confidence vote in this shitty system and I have zero confidence that if supporting trans people becomes no longer politically expedient that Democrats wouldn’t cut us loose too.
People can be swayed by you without you ever knowing it, or even without them really even realizing it.
We can’t ever know if dems would’ve been much better because we lost that chance, but the GOP literally campaigns on being pro-genocide, so we knew where they stood on the issue beforehand. And we got even more confirmation of that now.
Similarly, we knew that the GOP would do everything they could to villify and condemn trans people. At least the dems didn’t fully campaign on it. Since you’re in a blue state, I wonder if you have protections that trans people in red states do not? I sure do, in my blue state. The dems here didn’t just talk about improving trans rights and protecting us, they actually did it, and have continued to do so. They did the same thing for abortion rights. Of course, not without massive complaints from the local GOP.
We can’t ever know if dems would’ve been much better because we lost that chance,
The democrats ran on a year+ of genocide, I have no confidence that they would suddenly have a change of heart afterwards.
The democrats in my state do in fact pass some protections, but do basically nothing about the fundamental economic and housing inequalities that make it almost impossible for red state trans people to safely relocate there. If you’re someone who can hustle enough to afford to live here it’s relatively safe, but despite all that we still have plenty of right wing democrats triangulating over things like womens sports.
Also Democrats have had their share of military interventions, and countries they destroyed. Their whole issue with Iraq at the time wasn’t that the invasion was wrong, but that they would run it better. The genocidal warmongering is established bipartisan consensus.
Well, yeah, obviously I would prefer that, too. But we don’t live in that country.
And maybe, but one of the two is definitely more “blow up the entire middle east, fuck all of them, turn it to glass” than the other, which is my point.
They are, and if I was in a position where my vote could actually influence things I would probably vote for democrats over that, but that’s not the country I live in either.
hi, I ended up here in the US as a result of a right wing coup in my home country. I have had relatives with first hand experience of war, civil war, famine. it’s not something I take lightly which is why I am so appalled at the Democrats treating Palestinians like they’re expendible.
We don’t have a popular vote, due to how the system is arranged my vote hasn’t once mattered in decades of electoral participation. You’re kidding yourself about the influence of the fediverse if you think my comments had any impact.
I’m apathetic about voting, I’m actually extremely active organizing in my community against this shit. I find the people scolding about votes while doing fuck-all otherwise to be the ones making it worse.
It’s okay to be appalled, it’s normal. I’m appalled too. But because of our shitty, two party system, you are basically made to choose between the lesser of two evils in swing states. Choosing to not vote, or to vote for another party risks this exact outcome. While your vote in your state may not have had a direct impact (I’m willing to relent on that for now), what you say online (Lemmy or otherwise) or in person can convince someone in a swing state to also be apathetic, and that’s what hurts. It only has to affect one other person in a swing state, and then they’ll also spread their apathy to other voters in the state. It’s not a huge logical leap to consider.
When I say that you’re apathetic, I’m only talking about your voting habits. I know nothing else about you or what you do. I’m also not sure how trying to show how this behavior could result in our current situation is “making it worse”. I’m not trying to be insulting here, but if this apathy continues for the midterms (if they actually happen), it could very well convince some people to also not give a shit. I don’t want others in states where it really does matter to see your comments and think it’s all good to become entirely apathetic.
What really got to me was your comment about not caring about getting sent to the camps. Your relatives experiencing pain and trauma is one thing, but to experience concentration camps yourself is another thing entirely. You saying you don’t care about that could also be seen as you saying that you don’t care about the rest of the community being sent there, as well.
At the lack of support for genocide.
I’m not sure I buy the apathy contagion theory, I have a hard time believing anyone is actually swayed by me.
frankly the comment about not caring about getting sent to the camps was mostly being edgy to the guy doing the vote scolding like it even makes a difference now. maybe the Democrats would have been less bad overall, but after their past actions I have no reason to expect that Palestinians would be any better off under them.
my vote is a no-confidence vote in this shitty system and I have zero confidence that if supporting trans people becomes no longer politically expedient that Democrats wouldn’t cut us loose too.
People can be swayed by you without you ever knowing it, or even without them really even realizing it.
We can’t ever know if dems would’ve been much better because we lost that chance, but the GOP literally campaigns on being pro-genocide, so we knew where they stood on the issue beforehand. And we got even more confirmation of that now.
Similarly, we knew that the GOP would do everything they could to villify and condemn trans people. At least the dems didn’t fully campaign on it. Since you’re in a blue state, I wonder if you have protections that trans people in red states do not? I sure do, in my blue state. The dems here didn’t just talk about improving trans rights and protecting us, they actually did it, and have continued to do so. They did the same thing for abortion rights. Of course, not without massive complaints from the local GOP.
The democrats ran on a year+ of genocide, I have no confidence that they would suddenly have a change of heart afterwards.
The democrats in my state do in fact pass some protections, but do basically nothing about the fundamental economic and housing inequalities that make it almost impossible for red state trans people to safely relocate there. If you’re someone who can hustle enough to afford to live here it’s relatively safe, but despite all that we still have plenty of right wing democrats triangulating over things like womens sports.
And republicans have run on decades+ of warmongering and genocide. Invading other countries directly.
I know which one I prefer.
I would prefer they both lose, tbh.
Also Democrats have had their share of military interventions, and countries they destroyed. Their whole issue with Iraq at the time wasn’t that the invasion was wrong, but that they would run it better. The genocidal warmongering is established bipartisan consensus.
Well, yeah, obviously I would prefer that, too. But we don’t live in that country.
And maybe, but one of the two is definitely more “blow up the entire middle east, fuck all of them, turn it to glass” than the other, which is my point.
They are, and if I was in a position where my vote could actually influence things I would probably vote for democrats over that, but that’s not the country I live in either.