IVF and surrogacy should be illegal. they are a huge drain on resources, typically only benefit the wealthy. And the solution is incredibly straightforward. Strong social safety net, strong parental benefits andleave options. Encourage family to start in their 20s early 30s latest.
if I was in charge, if you wanted a family and you couldn’t have it on your own, you’d have to adopt. I know it’s not the solution for everyone, but the inequality that IVF and surrogacy create along with the huge drain on resources both scientific and monetary. I think society would be better off if we got to the root causes of infertility issuesand tried to address them (whether they be environmental or genetic), but the baby making in industry needs to stop.
in my country, Poland, there’s a government programme to which you can sign up and if you meet some criteria, you get a full refund of the costs of the whole IVF procedure. Surrogacy is banned. Do you think that’s a reasonable solution or do you still think that the amount of resources consumed by IVF alone makes it not worth it?
I’m not sure. that is a very good question. I wonder how much that’s costing your government to fund, I wonder if those doctors were oncologists or focusing on some other preventable disease, their time would better serve society. I know every country right now is trying to reverse population decline, I know some countries are offering money or tax incentives. Others are doing what you mentioned. And none of it is working to stem the decline. So I think IVF solves a personal problem, but I don’t think itsolves a societal problem regarding population decline.
The idea that adopted kids aren’t “your own” or as real as biological kids is silly. My first partner was adopted, and she’s much closer to her family than I’ve ever been.
Knowing the hoops adoptive parents have to jump through (at least where I live), I’d even say that the average adoptive parent is probably more of a parent than the average biological one. You really need to want kids to go through that process.
Of the children up for adoption a huge portion have pretty serious issues. Some it’s stuff like trauma, many are significantly disabled (like, learning and behavior disabilities, not just like deaf or needs a wheelchair), some are at risk of being taken back (a lot of foster kids are in and out due to unstable parents), and others have issues of providence (stolen from parents in developing countries).
There are also issues like many adoption agencies are Christian run and will not adopt to queer people or non-Christians.
Adoption is great, if you’re interested in kids but can’t make your own its definitely the first thing you should look at. But a lot of people like to act like there’s an infinite number of adaptable babies out there, but very few people voluntarily give up a healthy baby never to see it again.
IVF and surrogacy should be illegal. they are a huge drain on resources, typically only benefit the wealthy. And the solution is incredibly straightforward. Strong social safety net, strong parental benefits andleave options. Encourage family to start in their 20s early 30s latest.
what about the people who want to have children but can’t because of health reasons?
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if I was in charge, if you wanted a family and you couldn’t have it on your own, you’d have to adopt. I know it’s not the solution for everyone, but the inequality that IVF and surrogacy create along with the huge drain on resources both scientific and monetary. I think society would be better off if we got to the root causes of infertility issuesand tried to address them (whether they be environmental or genetic), but the baby making in industry needs to stop.
in my country, Poland, there’s a government programme to which you can sign up and if you meet some criteria, you get a full refund of the costs of the whole IVF procedure. Surrogacy is banned. Do you think that’s a reasonable solution or do you still think that the amount of resources consumed by IVF alone makes it not worth it?
I’m not sure. that is a very good question. I wonder how much that’s costing your government to fund, I wonder if those doctors were oncologists or focusing on some other preventable disease, their time would better serve society. I know every country right now is trying to reverse population decline, I know some countries are offering money or tax incentives. Others are doing what you mentioned. And none of it is working to stem the decline. So I think IVF solves a personal problem, but I don’t think itsolves a societal problem regarding population decline.
so I guess no I don’t think it’s worth it.
Left
of course, left is the only way.
Some people can’t have kids, and some couples are gay
Adoption
So because you are gay you can’t have your own kids. Might as well give the marriage licenses back too.
The idea that adopted kids aren’t “your own” or as real as biological kids is silly. My first partner was adopted, and she’s much closer to her family than I’ve ever been.
Knowing the hoops adoptive parents have to jump through (at least where I live), I’d even say that the average adoptive parent is probably more of a parent than the average biological one. You really need to want kids to go through that process.
What if they’re both guys
I think surrogacy and IVF should be legal but what’s the problem with adoption?
Of the children up for adoption a huge portion have pretty serious issues. Some it’s stuff like trauma, many are significantly disabled (like, learning and behavior disabilities, not just like deaf or needs a wheelchair), some are at risk of being taken back (a lot of foster kids are in and out due to unstable parents), and others have issues of providence (stolen from parents in developing countries).
There are also issues like many adoption agencies are Christian run and will not adopt to queer people or non-Christians.
Adoption is great, if you’re interested in kids but can’t make your own its definitely the first thing you should look at. But a lot of people like to act like there’s an infinite number of adaptable babies out there, but very few people voluntarily give up a healthy baby never to see it again.