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    “We need to be very clear, you are not going to get gun deaths to zero,” he said. “It will not happen. You can significantly reduce them, by having more fathers in the home, by having more armed guards in front of schools. We should have a honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, but we should not have a utopian one.”

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      A conservative saying something that sounds reasonable in order to convince the listener that the opposite is true.

      Conservative messaging 101 right there.

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        If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, boy, I hope he’s qualified.

        – The Charlie Kirk Show, 23 January 2024

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          This is a reasonable fear in a world where pilots are hired based on their status of being a minority. Is it not? That was the whole point, DEI practices enforce the idea that minorities aren’t qualified.

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            A simple DEI policy would be, for example, to remove the name from a resume before passing it over to the hiring manager for initial selection. That reduces bias against ethnic groups, religions, or genders.

            This should in no way reduce the qualifications of the candidates. Quite the opposite.

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            At least you admit being a racist. Good for you!

            Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more.

            – The Charlie Kirk Show, 19 May 2023

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              If you learned that your new surgeon was hired strictly because she’s a white woman, is it racism to be skeptical of her qualifications? Or are you thrilled to get that surgery just because it’s a woman doing it?

              Average person cares about their ability to do the job. It’s not racist.

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                DEI means hiring a diverse pool of qualified employees.

                But you know that. You’re just arguing in bad faith.

                See why these “debates” are so pointless? It gives a thin veneer of intellectual rigor to bigotry and white nationalism. And the guy “just asking questions” will argue in bad faith or just outright lie. Like Charlie was when he was shot, trying to pretend that the majority of mass murderers aren’t straight cis white men.

                He also lashed out at the gay community, denouncing what he called the “LGBTQ agenda,” expressing opposition to same-sex marriage and suggesting that the Bible verse Leviticus 20:13, which endorses the execution of homosexuals, serves as “God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.”

                So, how would someone debate “kill homosexuals”? What’s the counter argument?

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                  DEI means hiring a diverse pool of qualified employees. But you know that. You’re just arguing in bad faith.

                  No, I don’t know that, because it’s wrong, or misleading at best. “Qualified” is a spectrum, unless you’re talking about the low bar of simply having a medical degree/license.

                  If you’re looking for a lawyer to represent you, are you looking for “black woman” as a qualification, reassured by the fact that she is at least bar certified? That would be stupid. You’d want the person who you felt could best represent you. Which could end up being a black woman, but not necessarily.

                  Joe Biden literally said he was going to pick a black woman to sit in the SCOTUS before he had even made a shortlist of potential candidates. Jackson is a DEI hire. Sure, she is a “qualified” judge, most acting judges technically are, but it’s unlikely that she’s the most qualified. That’s the problem with DEI, people will assume that women or minorities may not be qualified, even when they are. Jackson could very well be the best for that position, but that would be quite the statistical coincidence considering Biden started his search with narrow racial/gender qualifications.

                  Like Charlie was when he was shot, trying to pretend that the majority of mass murderers aren’t straight cis white men.

                  He was discussing whether to exclude gang violence when discussing mass shootings, because those are overwhelmingly from gangs. So much so, that people typically exclude gang violence from stats. So if you’re including gang violence, white men would not commit the majority of “mass murder.” However, most people don’t care about gangsters killing each other, they care about innocent people killed/shot.

                  So, how would someone debate “kill homosexuals”? What’s the counter argument?

                  He never advocated for instituting laws to kill homosexuals. Neither did he support killing adulterers and people who worship false gods. So a counter argument is pointless unless he actively wanted to enforce Biblical law in the US.

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                    Joe Biden literally said he was going to pick a black woman to sit in the SCOTUS before he had even made a shortlist of potential candidates.

                    Probably because he knew there were multiple highly qualified black women you stupid, racist fuck. And diversity is important, especially in our government institutions.

                    You’re a pathetic worm. Crawl back under whatever the fuck you crawled out from under.

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                If you learned that your new surgeon was hired strictly because she’s a white woman

                If if if.

                When in your life did you learn that someone doing something important for you was hired BECAUSE of the color of their skin?

                Shut the fuck up you fucking loser.

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            How is this a hard concept? You still have to be a pilot, you just can’t have a policy - tacit or explicit - of only hiring white men.

            Couldn’t you have gone with the idea that it’s “taking jobs from white men?” Then I could point out that there isn’t a limited pool of specific unemployed people you have to pick from, and that even if you give a job to a white man it’s still taking a job from a different white man?

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        Yeah, without knowing context, you might think it’s someone admitting that we need gun control, but no, his point was that we shouldn’t care about the gun deaths so much…

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        For some it takes a village.

        For some like Charlie it takes an orgy. Of exclusively middle aged dad bods.

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        i was flabbergasted when i first heard americans have security & armed guards at schools. the closest to that any of the schools i went to had was cameras watching the doors and overweight PE teachers

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          We don’t have that either. Best we can do is cops with excessive cowardice.

          Source: uvalde, unfortunately

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        Plenty of Western countries with lots of guns that don’t have the same issues with gun violence.