i mean praising the NYPD commisioner and shaking hands with those pigs is pretty alarming for me given that they’re an occupying army who murder people constantly and beat the living shit out of anti-genocide protestors, but whatever. this impulse to justify the rightwards drift of DSA electeds no matter what has achieved so much in the past (look at AOC’s stellar record for example), so what do i know.
And look at that fucking account lol
idc about the account you can watch the video or google his comments yourself
i mean praising the NYPD commisioner and shaking hands with those pigs is pretty alarming for me given that they’re an occupying army who murder people constantly and beat the living shit out of anti-genocide protestors,
What did you expect him to do, give him a wedgie? I don’t even think any real leftist with ambition would go to war with the NYPD before even becoming mayor.
my issue is more that there are obvious and inherent flaws with the idea of “get socialists elected as Democrats” that are manifesting before our eyes, as they have done many times before, and that all the organising it took to get him to this point will end up being a counter-productive waste as well as legitimising the right wing of the DSA. like yeah we shouldn’t be aiming to put socialists in positions where they have to smile and shake hands with pigs.
Socialists and many on this site can’t come to a consensus on what to do with the the police, look at the opinions on this very website during BLM.
Here he said something that essentially boils down to let’s cut back on police by saying ‘we need to make police less involved with things’.
yeah we shouldn’t be aiming to put socialists in positions where they have to smile and shake hands with pigs.
Do we have guns? Are we aligned with paramilitary groups? No, we’re not even fucking close, so I think holding back on antagonizing one of the most powerful state backed militant groups before even gaining power is a good idea whether you’re a Democrat, DSA, or Communist
so we need to get guns and build paramilitary organisations, then, before messing in electoralism or anything else. for that we need to avoid legitimising electoralism, because people are going to choose that over armed action, because it’s far easier and feels safer. maybe what’s been going on in LA to counter the ICE raids would be worth learning from, rather than focusing on electing people to positions where they have to work with the police who support ICE.
why would you expect someone to paint a crosshair on his face before building power and popular support that could protect him from the police. he’s not mayor yet
a) they’re trying to get a mayor in office, you might’ve heard of that
b) he hasn’t delivered for the people, support to vote for someone is a lower bar than putting themselves in front of bullets
c) do you think this is related to not approaching them with as much hostility as you’re condemning him for not using
you can’t have your cake and eat it too. Mamdani can be bad because he’s not doing a protracted people’s war, but Mamdani didn’t become bad because he won’t spit in cop’s faces while running in an election.
getting a politician elected to office in a bourgeois democracy is not “building power” in any way that matters for socialists. no, the fact that the NYPD haven’t assassinated him isn’t anything to do with what he’s said or not said, they don’t kill Democratic candidates because Democrats are not a threat to their role in society, as his statements and policies indicate. it’s actually absurd that people think something like that would happen if he were more anti-police, rather than the Democrats just ejecting him from the candidacy via more brazenly anti-democratic means.
the plan isn’t to get an ass in the mayor’s seat and declare “socialism!” the plan is to establish institutions that help the people to build a material basis of support.
you’re playacting the ‘realist pessimist’ but utterly naive about the stakes and program. just saying ‘cops would never’ doesn’t make it so
“wow a DemSoc won a significant election in the imperial core, hope he can serve his constituents as best he can within the electoral system, since it’s pretty much the only option available. Otherwise we can hope that his failure to do so can give people the opportunity to develop politically in the same way that other electoral failures have been influential in my development”
“HAHA He’s not leading a revolution! Check you all this liberal shit! YOU FELL FOR IT AGAIN IDIOT!!”
So yeah, bullshit. Nothing he said was alarming. And look at that fucking account lol
The only disturbing part of this is him standing next to Elizabeth Warren, which is bad enough, no need imply other shit
i mean praising the NYPD commisioner and shaking hands with those pigs is pretty alarming for me given that they’re an occupying army who murder people constantly and beat the living shit out of anti-genocide protestors, but whatever. this impulse to justify the rightwards drift of DSA electeds no matter what has achieved so much in the past (look at AOC’s stellar record for example), so what do i know.
idc about the account you can watch the video or google his comments yourself
What did you expect him to do, give him a wedgie? I don’t even think any real leftist with ambition would go to war with the NYPD before even becoming mayor.
my issue is more that there are obvious and inherent flaws with the idea of “get socialists elected as Democrats” that are manifesting before our eyes, as they have done many times before, and that all the organising it took to get him to this point will end up being a counter-productive waste as well as legitimising the right wing of the DSA. like yeah we shouldn’t be aiming to put socialists in positions where they have to smile and shake hands with pigs.
Socialists and many on this site can’t come to a consensus on what to do with the the police, look at the opinions on this very website during BLM.
Here he said something that essentially boils down to let’s cut back on police by saying ‘we need to make police less involved with things’.
Do we have guns? Are we aligned with paramilitary groups? No, we’re not even fucking close, so I think holding back on antagonizing one of the most powerful state backed militant groups before even gaining power is a good idea whether you’re a Democrat, DSA, or Communist
so we need to get guns and build paramilitary organisations, then, before messing in electoralism or anything else. for that we need to avoid legitimising electoralism, because people are going to choose that over armed action, because it’s far easier and feels safer. maybe what’s been going on in LA to counter the ICE raids would be worth learning from, rather than focusing on electing people to positions where they have to work with the police who support ICE.
why would you expect someone to paint a crosshair on his face before building power and popular support that could protect him from the police. he’s not mayor yet
a) are the DSA actually “building power that could protect him from the police”
b) he is already the most popular candidate in the race by far
c) the NYPD is not going to assassinate him get over yourself he’s a Democrat not Fred Hampton
you sound a lot like the people who were saying “Starmer will move left once he’s in power just watch” a year ago
a) they’re trying to get a mayor in office, you might’ve heard of that
b) he hasn’t delivered for the people, support to vote for someone is a lower bar than putting themselves in front of bullets
c) do you think this is related to not approaching them with as much hostility as you’re condemning him for not using
you can’t have your cake and eat it too. Mamdani can be bad because he’s not doing a protracted people’s war, but Mamdani didn’t become bad because he won’t spit in cop’s faces while running in an election.
getting a politician elected to office in a bourgeois democracy is not “building power” in any way that matters for socialists. no, the fact that the NYPD haven’t assassinated him isn’t anything to do with what he’s said or not said, they don’t kill Democratic candidates because Democrats are not a threat to their role in society, as his statements and policies indicate. it’s actually absurd that people think something like that would happen if he were more anti-police, rather than the Democrats just ejecting him from the candidacy via more brazenly anti-democratic means.
the plan isn’t to get an ass in the mayor’s seat and declare “socialism!” the plan is to establish institutions that help the people to build a material basis of support.
you’re playacting the ‘realist pessimist’ but utterly naive about the stakes and program. just saying ‘cops would never’ doesn’t make it so
DemSocs are still liberals. Mamdani wasnt going to be leading the vanguard. He’s basically Bernie.
“wow a DemSoc won a significant election in the imperial core, hope he can serve his constituents as best he can within the electoral system, since it’s pretty much the only option available. Otherwise we can hope that his failure to do so can give people the opportunity to develop politically in the same way that other electoral failures have been influential in my development”
“HAHA He’s not leading a revolution! Check you all this liberal shit! YOU FELL FOR IT AGAIN IDIOT!!”
thanks comrade, I guess…
that’s just correct. Is getting capitalism to fund shit for the working class an improvement? absolutely. Revolution? No.