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In the Abacus poll, 46 per cent of respondents said they would support Canada becoming a member state of the EU, and 44 per cent said the Canadian government should definitely or probably look into joining it.

  • SabinStargem@lemmy.today
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    3 hours ago

    As an American, I endorse the idea. It would make it harder for Canada to be attacked, or worse, destroyed by Dogey America. Plus, it would allow the Free States of America to have a potential ally or trading party, better means for non-coms to flee from the conflict, and so forth.

    It also works out for Canada, since that means having stronger trade connections with Europe. Considering that Dogey America is going to be an annoying prick and no longer a viable partner, having a solid trade network would help keep Canada prosperous.

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    5 hours ago

    I welcome the Canadians into the European Union!

    Is what I would say, but I really, really, REALLY don’t want a border with the US. Russia alone is bad enough.

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      My brother/sister in christ, you are already occupied militarily and economically by the US. Do you really not understand why Mark Rutte kisses Trump ass? Do you think capitulating to Trumps demands and kissing his ass is 3D chess?

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    I believe it will be a positive alliance for both Canada and the EU. Canadians are welcome!

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    Step 1: Be USAmerican, non rabid Trump sycophant/cult member variant.

    Step 2: Attempt to gain legal residency in Canada

    Step 3: ¿?¿??¿¿??¿?

    Step 4: I am now European.

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      I would like the option. Being an American citizen is now like not unlike a soiled piece of toilet paper: Unpleasant and not worth keeping. After all, Project 2025’s backers don’t give a damn about citizenship or American society.

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        Ok here’s the plan:

        Move to Minnesota.

        Canada joins the EU.

        Minnesota joins Canada.

        Probably not likely to happen or work, but uh… fucking who knows these days.

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          There are a lot of in demand jobs, from nurse to developer if you don’t mind working in those specific fields you can skip a lot of those steps.

  • Rob Bos@lemmy.ca
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    Let’s start with Schengen zone membership and see how we feel after that. The currency would be a hard sell.

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      Maybe an EU adjacent status like Norway would be sufficient. But yeah, probably best to just wait and see. I’d appreciate closer cultural ties too. More sustainable basis for a long-term partnership than just business stuff.

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        The UK had special dispensation as a founding member of the EU; if they were to return to the EU today, they would have to give up the pound

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        True, but all new members sign an agreement that they will eventually join the eurozone. It’s not enforced and there is no pressure to do so, but on paper they agree to it.

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    I love these “nearly half” declarations of support the media likes to gin up.

    So…“less than half”, then?

    • mle@feddit.org
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      It’s also a bit useless to just give the one number and not the complete results.

      This could mean 46% in favor, 15% neutral / undecided, 39% against, which would put the overall sentiment in favor of joining, or it could be 46% in favor, 54% against, which is a completely different situation.

      — edit — Just re-read the article, I have missed the numbers, sorry.

      So it’s 46% pro, 29% against, which puts the sentiment clearly to pro…

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      9 hours ago

      It’s more about the trend. Last year almost no one thought it would be a good idea. So the implications is “shortly more than half might want to join the EU” or “Canadians are approaching the majority threshold”

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      Well, you are not wrong. But if you think about it it’s still a pretty significant percentage considering Canada is one ocean distant from Europe, and has always had historically relations, economically and politically with the USA, obviously given the fact they share their only border with them. So in my opinion the number gets more weight, maybe. Probably some years ago it was much lower, or they didnt asked themselves the question at all.

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    I mean if Cyprus and French Guiana can join so can Canada if we can meet the requirements. It’s a political alliance of values.

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      11 hours ago

      French Guiana is only part of the EU because it’s part of France, and even then it needs plenty of exceptions to make it work.

      Cyprus was already aligned with the rest of Europe in economic laws.

      Canada would need to redo half of its laws to join the EU, and Canadian companies would either need to produce two versions of everything or drop the US market altogether.

      It’s more realistic to aim for a close bilateral treaty than for membership, at least for next few decades.

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        13 hours ago

        That would be the first step in claiming back what once was ours ;)

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          The European Union could help safeguard those borders.

          Since we/The EU will be soon buying even more US weapons, I seriously doubt that.

          What was once a region of the world populated with so many smart and bright people has now become the proud land of the dumb. The EU is like a headless chicken running around. And it seems rather happy about what it has become, I’m afraid to say so.

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      I mean french guiana is literally a part of france. Its an overseas territory so its handled as an island or whatever not a colony. The most disgusting thing isnt that canada is in north america but that the eu would need to border the usa…

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        9 hours ago

        I would see a northern wall in the future if this happened. I could honestly see it even if it never happened, the US doesn’t trust Canadian or EU immigration policy.

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      How is Cyprus controversial as an EU member? Because it’s far enough to technically be Asia? Still very much European values, language, history etc. It’s also only a stone’s throw away from the nearest Greek island

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    Not sure how that would work since they aren’t on European continent, but then I remembered we have Australia in Eurovision so I’ll allow it. Just because Canadians are cool.

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    Europe’s going far-right & ramping up the military again. No surprise that the countries who sheltered Nazis want to get in on the Fourth Reich.

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      Canada has a large influence from ukrainian WW2 nazis that were imported there en massa.
      Freeland is an example of their horrible offspring.
      The honoring of that nazi scum Hunka was in no way an accident.

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        Yup. And Freeland fought calls to investigate how many Nazis are still living in Canada, and fought to continue arms transfers to Nazi groups in Europe.

        They’ve tried to erase this part of history, but prior to the breakout of WW2 the ruling class largely supported Hitler. They still do to this day.

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          2025 germs are at least as bad.
          Only now they’ve replaced jews with muslims as scapegoat.
          And as always on the wrong side of history, with full support for zionist genociders and US warmongers.

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            Yup, and German police are already severely cracking down on dissent of the ruling status quo. Straight up arresting people for criticism of the government as we speak.

            Except this time it’s a coordinated crackdown on every western country. This time they used financial means to takeover leadership in every country, before unleashing fascism in all of them at once.

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    I appreciate the thought and the vote of confidence. Unity against the US would be nice. But, I’m afraid of the US influence in Canada. It’s bad enough in the EU, but Canada probably is worse.

    My conditions in order of importance, if I had any power at all, would be (and maybe Canada already has these):

    • no “winner takes all” or first past the post anywhere - single transferable vote or ranked choice voting
    • separation of church and state
    • wealth tax aka “tax wealth, not work”, it’ll pay for a bunch of the below
    • free public education
    • universal healthcare without stupid deductibles
    • the ability to live without a car in any place with more than 5k people i.e public transport FTW, high speed trains, buses, metros and trams, fuck cars
    • opensource in all public services
    • no deals with the US defence industry (although the EU council just made idiotic concessions)
    • house the homeless
    • state funded TV

    Those are off the top of my head. Given more time, I’d probably come up with more, but I think those are the basic things I’d care about.

    Edit: Yes, I’m aware most EU members don’t have this, but Canada could be a lighthouse, guiding the rest of the members. It would probably see a huge influx of Europeans if those things were to be implemented.

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      Canada is well on our way. Lots of support for proportional representation voting, separation of church and state yes (Canada is much less religious than the states except maybe Alberta), ways of taxing the wealthy through capital gains tax etc, education so free up until university and then tuition is lower for Canadians and federal student loans are at 0% lending, universal health care no dedications already in place. I think Europe might not understand how vast and far Canada is so public transportation can be really challenging but yes city’s have ok public transportation and better would be great. I don’t know about opensource or defence contracts so I won’t speak to those. Better housing options for homeless would be great. And we have state funded TV, CBC which we’re very proud of!

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        Edit: Yes, I’m aware most EU members don’t have this, but Canada could be a lighthouse, guiding the rest of the members. It would probably see a huge influx of Europeans if those things were to be implemented.

        From what it looks like I wrote that a full two hours before your comment.

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        Versus FPTP, which funnels votes to 2 big parties, forces strategic voting and discards everyone else’s opinions?

        Ranked choice allows the politicians in a country to see what people actually want. There’s been countless elections in my country where I’d have voted Green if I knew that vote would then be transferred to the party of my preference, rather than effectively being a vote for the party I like least (as a third party vote is in FPTP).

        If the incoming government knows the only reason they got in was down to a load of transferred green votes, they would be pressured to push for a policy agenda more skewed in that direction and in theory should result in a government more representative of the people that voted for it

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          I would recommend looking at the Norwegian system, where each region elects multiple candidates proportionately to the local votes, and all parties above a certain percentage nationwide shares a pool proportionally as well. It’s not perfect, but it gives a sane amount of different parties without the inevitable deadlocks of 100-party systems. The national pool limit can tune the approximate number of viable parties.

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          I’m advocating for the single transferable vote not first-past-the-post. The results show that with the alternative vote the big parties are much more overrepresented in the makeup of the seats in parliament meaning that they will be less likely to listen to you. We need to have the seat makeup match up with the percentage of the votes.

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            Ah apologies, I missed that. STV is good too, the Scottish use that and it results in good representation for everyone

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    As a EU/French I vehemently oppose that idea unless we get to see the Canadian mounted police to parade here on the Champs Elysée, this next 14th July :p