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      Everyone is aware it’s happening. Some are happy it’s happening, most are horrified.

      Very very few can do anything about it.

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    We are waiting for the current one to say it. No one that should be hearing this cares about a former diplomat.

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        It’s not like he changed his tone much. Not that the position on whether Israel’s annexations, settlements etc are illegal would have ever been contentious, the bunched underwear really is about tone. He wasn’t fired but he was on his way out which was predictable as putting an Estonian in charge in the face of Russian aggression was an important symbolic move, not really a chance of a second term one way or the other. And it’s not like Kallas wouldn’t be calling for Israel to fucking tone it down.

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        And probably rightfully so. It is after all diplomacy. You don’t say something like that unless you are prepared to sever all ties. Which would also mean to lose all remaining influence you have - and it would also mean effectively abandoning the jewish people in Israel.

        Now I don’t mean to argue against the fact that Israel is effectively engaging in genocide. But I believe that severing all ties to Israel would neither benefit the Palestinians, nor the Israelians or Europe for that matter.

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            That is incredible insulting to compare the Nazi crimes whith anything Israel has done in that conflict. Maybe you are uneducated af, but what the Nazis did was far, far, far worse.

            I won’t get into which is/was worse, but if you don’t see that Israel’s crimes against Palestine are comparable then it is you who are uneducated. A hint: it’s way more than “just” bombing Gaza.

            And those things are mostly accusations by the Hamas faction

            No they aren’t; as this article should show you, and many more.

            And at the end of the day the “palestinians” started the war with an open act of genocide against innocent jewish civilians.

            If you are refering to Oct 7 2023 it really is you who is uneducated, unaware of the larger history here.

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            It’s totally relevant. The 7th of October was 1 fucking day 2 years ago and they’ve been bombing civilians population ever since

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          No, but imho Hamas and it’s supporters deserve to be punched in the face as long as they are calling for a worldwide genocide against jews.

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            Sit the leaders of Israel and Hamas together and punch them all in the face. And so on: for every Hamas fighter, one IDF soldier.

            And then what? Israel is still getting way more guns than Hamas, and we’d run out of Hamas fighters to punch long before we run out of IDF soldiers to punch.

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            Oh for sure. Anyone who calls for a genocide against any other group should be punched in the face, it’s only the right thing to do.

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    Borrell, btw, is the guy who skilfully annoyed Chinese envoys by advocating for this thing called socialism we have in the EU, were we give rights to workers, guarantee healthcare, participation, and such things, “really, we are more socialist than you”. Before I saw that footage of the Chinese diplomats I would not have believed that humans are physically capable of that amount of pained smiling.