• Victor@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    I mean why? Why is not survival of the fittest? It’s simply a matter of definition of “fit”. 🤷‍♂️ If the fittest means you have rich ancestors, then so be it, in some context. If it means being able to wrestle someone to the ground, that’s fine in another context. We live in many different contexts, as humans. It’s not black and white…

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      3 days ago

      Because we have all given into the social construct of “we won’t kill you and take all your shit”. That was the deal. We stopped playing by the “if you piss me off me and my community with bash in your knee caps”. Most the fuckers who chant “survival of the fittest” don’t understand what that really means. It means that _anything _ is fair game.

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        2 days ago

        Evolution doesn’t really care about social constructs though. It will select on one thing and one thing only – offspring.

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          Can’t have off spring if you get murdered for being a dick :). Humans are special in regards to evolution, we know about it so we can force its hand. The reason the rich are rich is because the public let them, those who argue for survival of the fittest don’t get that. The rules were put in place so we don’t behave like animals. But if they want us to…

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            The reason the rich are rich is because the public let them, those who argue for survival of the fittest don’t get that. The rules were put in place so we don’t behave like animals.

            But in the grand scheme of things, we are animals too, and we have this behavior. We are animals and we are all aligning with the social constructs of our species. Being “fit to survive” doesn’t need to mean “being able to kill someone weaker”. You could have a mental illness that leads to suicide. That’s not being fit to survive and spread genes. Doesn’t mean you were necessarily weak either, someone like that could be strong af, or a ninja.

            You could also just be lucky as fuck. Maybe you happened to be a cave dwelling animal when WWIII happened with all the nuclear winter that followed. Or maybe you just dodged some other kind of evolutionary cataclysmic bullet. Surely the dinosaurs were “the fittest” – strong af, top tier predators and herbivores of their time – until they weren’t. They weren’t fit to survive a meteor.

            In the grand scheme of evolution, it doesn’t matter what causes the survival. We are in the blink of an eye in the timeline of life, as humans. Evolution has barely had time to register our social constructs as a blip on its radar.

            Now, our social constructs aren’t “fair”, but admittedly neither were all those villages who were burned by invaders before money was a thing, or tribes fighting and killing innocents, or people being eaten by sabertooths or some shit. Nothing in evolution needs to be “fair”.

            And it sucks.

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      3 days ago

      It turns out working together is a highly successful strategy. You can stretch the definition of “fit” to say that working together improves fitness, but if so, it still becomes much harder to justify Social Darwinism.

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        Whatever makes your genes more likely to spread goes into the definition of “fit” in this context.

        Evolution doesn’t care how you managed to spread your genes. It only cares if you did it or not.

        If you have great social skills, which ends up in you working together, which ends up in you being better than if you didn’t work together, which ends up in you spreading your genes, that counts towards your fitness.