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Yuritopiaposadism [none/use name]@hexbear.net to chapotraphouse@hexbear.netEnglish · 5 months ago

CPUSA officially condemns Luigi for doing propaganda of the deed, says he should have phone banked towards "Medicare For All" instead

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CPUSA officially condemns Luigi for doing propaganda of the deed, says he should have phone banked towards "Medicare For All" instead

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Yuritopiaposadism [none/use name]@hexbear.net to chapotraphouse@hexbear.netEnglish · 5 months ago
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Mass rage at for-profit health insurance demands collective action
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A suspect has been arrested for allegedly assassinating UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson on Dec. 4 in New York City. The suspect, Luigi Mangione, was arrested on Dec. 9 in Pennsylvania. The police believe this was a premeditated murder.
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  • corgiwithalaptop [any, love/loves]@hexbear.netM
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    Only people’s movements built on collective non-violent struggle will be able to successfully resist the MAGA agenda and compel change that meets the needs of the great mass of working and oppressed people in the U.S. and internationally.

    Oh, honey, bless your heart

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      • corgiwithalaptop [any, love/loves]@hexbear.netM
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        Lmao they really did him like that?

        • WeedReference420 [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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          Yeah it’s pretty rough

    • ZWQbpkzl [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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      CPUSA is trapped in amber from the civil rights era of politics.

      • iie [they/them, he/him]@hexbear.net
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        Except there were widespread riots in the civil rights era, violent unrest was a major factor behind the civil rights act. They’re trapped in the version of the civil rights era that we learn about in high school.

        • Florn [they/them]@hexbear.net
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          Imagine learning about the civil rights era in high school instead of stopping at WW1 every year

        • ZWQbpkzl [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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          iirc there were still many orgs using the same sort of nonviolence rhetoric at the time. I wasn’t saying the represent the entirety of the civil rights movement.

      • AMBER_BOT [it/its]@hexbear.netB
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        Amber.

        • ZWQbpkzl [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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          angery

    • Llituro [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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      michael-laugh

    • Mindfury [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      non-violent struggle

      michael-laugh

    • oscardejarjayes [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      Marx and Engels wrote plenty about how violence might be unavoidable. Y’know, the people who Marxist-Leninists (CPUSA is supposedly ML) beliefs are fundamentally based on. Lenin had quite similar things to say. Condemning adventurism is a common ML line, but they seem to go a bit far.

      “Will the peaceful abolition of private property be possible? It would be desirable if this could happen, and the communists would certainly be the last to oppose it…But they also see that the development of the proletariat in nearly all civilised countries has been violently suppressed…we communists will defend the interests of the proletarians with deeds as we now defend them with words” - Engels. Where are they getting that “only…non-violent struggle” from?

      I mean, I sorta get where they’re coming from, endorsing violence has dubious legality, but if you have to compromise so hard why say anything at all.

      • oscardejarjayes [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        “do not haggle over principles, do not make ‘concessions’ in theory” - marx
        “Without a revolutionary theory there can be no revolutionary movement” - lenin

        • quarrk [he/him]@hexbear.net
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          Both of those statements ought to be attributed to Lenin, since the first one seems to be Lenin’s paraphrasing (in What Is To Be Done?) of this letter written by Marx

  • FourteenEyes [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Everyone: “Join an org”

    The org:

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      PSL

    • oscardejarjayes [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      iww

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      Ok then start an org

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        Disco Elysium communist quest finale spoiler

        i’m in a three person book club with a drug addled amnesiac cop, we’re levitating matchbooks with our minds, fuck you mean i’m not organized


      • FourteenEyes [he/him]@hexbear.net
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        We’re going to start an org and we’re going to do communism and you won’t be invited based-department

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        Someone’s gotta, but nobody wanna

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    CPUSA officially condemns Luigi for doing propaganda of the deed

    bloomer

    says he should have phone banked towards “Medicare For All” instead

    lukashenko-tired

    • ZWQbpkzl [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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      If you actually read the statement they pointedly never condemned Luigi but instead explicitly condemned United Health.

      They did try to spin this into a revival of m4a when its clearly dead. At this point GameStop style shenanigans would be more effective than phone banking.

    • grandepequeno [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      says he should have phone banked towards “Medicare For All” instead

      They didn’t say that, this post’s title came from a r/Trueanon post that similarly did them dirty.

      All the article does is call for mass action rather than individual violence that probably (let’s see if there are any copycats) lead to anything

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    Hexbear: I wonder who’s the admin behind the “lionizing Luigi is cringe” ruling?

    Hexbear goes to unhood the shadowy figure only for the shadowy figure to dramatically unhood themselves and reveal themselves to be

    Pluto: It’s me, Hexbear!

    Hexbear: Aw, son of a b*tch.

    Pluto: It was me all along, Hexbear!

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      walter-breakdown

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    I hate that we can’t disband the cpusa because the feds would just make another new one full of feds.

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    CPUSA needs to disband, their stance on gaza is evil

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    Despite recognizing a real issue, Mangione acted in an individualistic manner that doesn’t strengthen the struggle for real change in this system on behalf of the people who require healthcare and their families and communities.

    This hardly much of a condemnation and is basically what most socialist organizations would put out. You basically say this or say nothing at all.

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      deleted by creator

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    i-cant

    Death to America

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    I am being proven right about my decision to leave CPUSA every day

  • gay_king_prince_charles [she/her, he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Liberalism.

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    as if anyone needed further reason to avoid that org at all costs

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    It would have been better if they had just not said anything. Or if they had to still say anything, they could have focused on how this could be a point of building solidarity. Even right-wing working class people are in agreement on how fucked for-profit healthcare is for all of us. But no, they chose to take the same general path as the capitalist propaganda outlets. They hate using real material moments to do revolutionary shit. Deny, Defend, Depose!

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    fedposting

  • Mindfury [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    why condemn luigi when he didn’t do anything?

    • robot_dog_with_gun [they/them]@hexbear.net
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      well he did retweet that shit

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        very true, my mistake

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    Removed by mod

    • thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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      I would challenge you to find a single Hexbear mod who believes:

      Only people’s movements built on collective non-violent struggle will be able to successfully resist the MAGA agenda and compel change that meets the needs of the great mass of working and oppressed people in the U.S. and internationally.

      Their stance re: Luigi is that he’s a reactionary actor and shouldn’t be lionised, which is markedly different from the statement offered here, which also condemns the action and not just the person.

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        Based on the reason given, this comment was removed for “lionization of adventurism”, and not because Luigi is reactionary.

        reason: lionization of adventurism.

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          lionization of adventurism

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            he’s adorable

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        Removed by mod

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      i-spil-my-jice

    • Red_Renewal_Cosmonaut [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      mods condemned him for being a reactionary and doing propaganda of the deed, this is condemning doing any violence

      did you read the article or were you more intent on shit-stirring

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