Gamesir seems to be vying for that crown of late - their price to feature ratio is impressive.

Edit: Yes, they’ll face the same tariff pressures - I’m just noting that 8BitDo isn’t the clear market leader the way they were 3-5 years ago.

I love these updates so much! Thanks for all of the time and effort!

Ah, yes, the native, completely un-Christian culture of… 1400s Italy.

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The Lemmy devs are outspoken tankies, so I’d understand why people would be reluctant to work directly with them.

Already answered, it doesn’t matter, and it doesn’t matter.

Because sovereign nations have the right to decide who is and who is not allowed across their borders, and they also have the right to take reasonable measures to expel those who are present in their country without permission.

Not quite sure what the past 8 years have to do with the Panamanian government, but I am certainly in the “I’m not going to assume that Panama of all places is running a concentration camp until I see some actual evidence of it” camp, especially when they probably don’t want these migrants anyway, and don’t seem to have a reason to vindictively mistreat them like the US does.

Source that the Panamanian location is a concentration camp? Random Twit-heads don’t count.

They sent people to the jungle without shelter.

I suppose that’s possible, but Imma need a source for that claim, because it’s definitely not in the article I read. That seems more like the sort of blind, knee-jerk reaction the twit-head in the pic is intending to elicit with their inflammatory one-liner.

Do you really think they plan to meet all of their needs?

All of the needs required of a brief detainment before repatriation? Yeah, I see no reason why Panama wouldn’t do that, especially since they probably want these people out of Panama as soon as possible.

And if they are just doing their best to cope with the migrants, then the US is responsible for sending them to a place that could not handle them.

They seem to be handling them just fine. I agree that the US sending them there was a dick move, and probably an attempt at strongarm tactics on Trump’s part, but Trump being a dick doesn’t suddenly mean that Panama is running a concentration camp, as the talking head is asserting to make people angry enough to engage en masse with their “content”.

Whether the US is following its laws or not has literally nothing to do with whether this Panamanian location is a concentration camp, which is the talking head’s claim and the entire point of this comment chain.

The US is calling the shots, you admitted they might not be following the law, and yet you expect the US to follow the rules they create and break? That’s a very niave outlook on global politics.

It would be, if, once again, the specific day-to-day operation of these camps had anything whatsoever to do with the US, which it doesn’t seem to.

Please read carefully this time:

This is not a US camp. This location is constructed and operated entirely by the sovereign government of Panama, and we have no evidence that the Panamanian government is doing anything that could be construed as being a concentration camp. If anything, Panama is likely being forced by the US to detain these people against their will, giving them even less incentive to mistreat them, especially since these camps are now international news.

I’m pretty sure it’s also lined with inflammatory rhetoric, so I think I’ll just keep reading original sources and waiting for facts that are supported by evidence.

The fact that people will be leaving the Panamanian camp as soon as next week, according to the article, meaning that it really does seem intended to be temporary.

Also, Imma need a source on your claim that they’re exposed to the elements. Meeting their material needs is perfectly appropriate for the sort of temporary situation being described.

The US allows legal asylum. Whether the US is correctly following their own laws with regard to legal asylum is a completely separate issue from whether or not this Panamanian site is a concentration camp, as the talking head is asserting in an incredibly emotionally manipulative manner.

As I’ve mentioned elsewhere in this thread, people here seem really intent on conflating their own thoughts on immigration in general with the actual situation being described in the article.

I’ve always kinda sucked at dodgeball. Good at throwing, good at catching, reeeally bad at dodging.

Uh, bye, I guess?

That’s fair. I guess we’ll see. Just because the camp remains open doesn’t mean that people aren’t being repatriated in a timely manner though.

So, even Panama decides “ah, well, fuck it, just kill em I guess”, that’s still on us.

I do agree with this. We do have some culpability in the way they are treated until they reach their home countries.

I think I’m still missing your point about “if they CAN go anywhere else, why are they being held in Panama?” though. I think it’s a show of force on Trump’s part, exercising his leverage over Panama from the threat of stealing the canal. I don’t think Trump cares about what happens to the migrants once they’re in Panama, so I don’t really see a reason for Panama to purposefully mistreat them, when they don’t seem to have the incentives to do so that the US does.

If I’m still missing something (other than your healthy inherent distrust of governments, including Panama’s), definitely do let me know.

I’m deeply skeptical of this whole “oh, they’re just innocent lil camps outside of our own borders and laws where the media can’t easily check, why are you suspicious lmao?” narrative.

This is a very fair and respectable position to take.

I’m also of the belief that people should live and work where they please, and that national borders are the tools of oppressors.

Here we will have to disagree (not that national borders can’t be tools of oppressors, but that they are inherently so). I’ve enjoyed our conversation - you’ve given me the benefit of the doubt here, unlike many other commenters, and I very much appreciate your good faith comments.

And what does that have to do with the Panama camps mentioned in the article? People in this thread seem to have a really, really difficult time staying on topic.

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