Yeah, but providing that push at the wrong time… Maybe I just presented it the wrong way. I think there was some snootiness to how I advocated it. Like I knew more than them, which might be the case… but it’s still alienating.

Maybe we can wait until they ask.

Man, Hungary has already implemented this law with the reduction of gathering rights. The government was campaigning along the lines of speeding past Europe… I guess they weren’t lying.

I guess I am happy to see other countries facing similar threats, if only to realize that many Hungarians are just people like them, barely able to do anything in the face of such coordinated attacks.

In Hungary it is more about ‘inside enemies’ than weeding out migrants. That propaganda doesn’t work anymore, because the government needs to bring in extra workers from the far east, as nobody local is willing to work for such wages.

Stay on your toes and place your hate in the right place, if you need to hang onto it. They make it sound nationalistic, but I think it’s just plain old class war.

Just put on some moosic.

Only being used because someone is paying you to do it, then snuffed out after an extended death throe.

Naw, you’re right. There are still ways to get a decent windows experience, but it will fall to the domain of power users.

I personally see MS not really caring about their windows users. With more than enough revenue from enterprise to keep them going for decades, they will lose grip on gamers and older casual users, who remember windows before the marketplace and preinstalled adware.

With all the flavors of Linux (and a proper walled garden like Apple), I’m thinking Windows will follow Skype in the next decade or so.

Just based on all the usual hashing between EU and Hungary, this is closer to a stern look than tying funds to rule of law, if you take that as a spectrum.

In a twisted way, I feel that these abusive laws will only quicken the downslide of the Fidesz regime. One of the main reasons they are still kicking aroubd is that they are magnificent in non-confrontational control. Any and all protests so far, the popo were super hands off. They had civil uniform police who would get a bit handsy, but I’m not sure they were police or just the private army of the government (Valton security).

So with all that in mind, if police start getting heavily involved in the protests, my money is on agression levels rising. While it’s horrible for the people, the government will lose any last remaining bit legitimacy they have.

I really hope it doesn’t come to full-on aggressive confrontation. There’s a pretty decent chance Fidesz will lose their supermajority next year through the remaining, heavily kneecapped democratic institutions we have left. Exciting times.

By not switching to Na based batteries and keeping a lid on Li mining.

But they had a good run. God knows I stayed with windows thanks to my skype account being accepted. But even those day are bygone.

Maybe the time is right for a 3rd party to rise?

No, it’s purely distraction and building more support. A power play, if you will. It is the 15th time Fidesz has modified (unilaterally) the Hungarian constitution that they wrote about 15 years back.

With the same stroke they are also enshrining that drugs are bad and for some reason, the right to use cash. Alternatively many opposition politician’s have had their immunity revoked. And personally a scary one, dual citizens can lose citizenship for reasons.

As for the anti-gay sentiment. In the capital I would say it’s not a thing, but two guys holding hands walking down an empty street could get accosted. In smaller cities I’ve noticed that being openly gay is tolerated, but frowned upon. I’m sure the propaganda brainwashed many, there were plenty of haters to begin with anyway. Kids use gay and fag about the same way as Cartman from South Park.

The mayor of Budapest is still planning on hosting the Pride festival this year.

Get BMW, Audi & Mercedes to suspend activities. While the EU is still reaping the benefits of a worsening forint, it rings hollow that they wouldn’t have influence. Even closing the funds (tying it to rule of law) has had a positive effect, the regime seems to ve feeling it. It feels more and more that it’s all about the cashflow and sating interests.

The problem is the people in the EU have as much control over this phenomenon as an average opposition voter in Hungary.

In case anyone not familiar with Hungary’s political structure: ‘governing party set to push’ can be transcribed to goverment single-sidedly overwriting the constitution again.

We had a few protests along the lines, but it feels like the the whole country is holding it’s breath till next April (elections).

Yes, yes, I understand. But isn’t there the phrase that the revolution eats its children?

Excuse me as it has probably been discussed into the ground, but I am worried about the same power struggles experienced during after 1917. People in power not trusting each other or wanting more power. Will it be just a continual revolution, or a refresh when someone malicious gets too close to the reigns? If we had most of the core literature back then, why did it turn authoritarian?

I don’t need answers to my question (unless you got em!), I just wanted to share my main gripe with power structures in general.

Why couldn’t my grandpa have been part of the communist party? Even if I didn’t know him, wouldn’t he instill it into my mother who packs it into me?

You are right to the extent that I am not read up on the literature. I mean I haven’t read the Wealth of Nations either, but dabbling with Seeing Like a State. I alsi studied sociology for a semester or two, so different social patterns are not totally alien to me.

Again, excuse me for posting without familiarizing myself with proper form, but our thread is starting to feel a bit gate keepy. I appreciate your knowledge (or what you state of it), but that seems to be the start and end of it. You’re read up, I’m not. You know me, I don’t know you.

My main guess on why you don’t want to actually interact on the topic is that you don’t want to spoon feed me everything that is oh-so-trivial on the sub. I dunno, I feel boxed in. You may be right, it’s just repelling to anyone not in the group.

Again, I appreciate you talking about yourself and talking about the definitions at play. Where you’re losing me (and building some bad will) is whenever you write about what you know about me.

No questions asked, your knowledge here is vast and greatly outweighs mine. But you are alienating me. I guess it’s no skin off your back, but I always thought that I could discuss radical ideas like thought shaping matter and matter shaping thought without being shamed. Live and learn, I guess. Maybe it’s more my vice, that I didn’t propose my initial statement as a question.

I don’t want to accuse you of anything, just writing down what this type of communication brings up in me.

And I get awful prickly when people tell me that the uncle that left Hungary after '56 was either a CIA asset or a useful idiot.

I mean yeah, keep your defenses up, I’m sure every asshole has their day trolling here, but wow is it harsh. I guess I have to learn to frame questions here rather than statements.

Edit: Sry for the first pargrapgh, I was still a little frazzled from the hazing.

I replied sardonically in kind. Sry if it was too tame.

Hehh… It almost feels like a right of passage.

While I did enjoy your verbose writing, it kinda feels to be coming off a pedestal. I get that this place gets a lot of trolls, but just looking at the reactions I’m getting from a good faith comment (heck, maybe it wasn’t good faith… Maybe I should have asked) feels pretty harsh and looks super circlejerky.

Also, Capitalism =/= Markets

I guess my superfluous simile doesn’t hold water.

I don’t know if we are properly understanding each other, as I see consumerism as a push to buy happiness. If it’s just one of those things that’s inherent to capitalism, sry for wasting your time.

Hey, thank you for bringing the data.

I cannot emphasize enough, that I am not against communism, or socialism. My initial comment was mostly against a blanket statement that Eastern Europe is where it’s at, because of capitalism.

Even I remember the communist times fondly, even though I didn’t live through it. I am working toward it myself, or at least the common win. Which just confusesed me further with all the fallout I got in this thread.

I also see our future along lines that implement the best of what we can from communism, but learns from the problems of the initial implementation.

So like how do we make sure to not have selfish assholes in places of power? Not live in fear because we have questions. And I am not saying this is ingrained in communism…just something people do.

I guess I’ll have to read up on my dialectic materialism.