Both Bernie and Biden seem like great people

a 30 second google search and the plentiful articles and videos it’ll show you of biden being racist, homophobic and classicist during his entire career and defending those racist, homophobic and classicist decisions during his campaign in 2020 proves that you’re either patsy or a shill.

and still more progressive than democrats have ever been and will ever be.

I don’t like him but I have to vote for him because the alternative is worse

as you will be doing for the rest of your life; never voting for the candidates you like and you’ll never be given the chance because of democrats. meanwhile your political opposites will perpetually be getting the candidates that they do like and a plethora of choices.

number one search on google; i doubt you even tried: https://thecollegeinvestor.com/42272/alternative-paths-to-student-loan-forgiveness/

i could have clicked on “i’m feeling lucky” to get this so i no longer believe that you’re arguing in good faith.

here’s another one that shows that your thought process is heavily flawed: https://thegavoice.com/news/national/sanders-urges-voters-to-look-at-bidens-votes-for-dont-ask-doma/

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solid history of changing his mind but only once it becomes politically convenient for him

I love this argument. You mean to tell me he only changed his mind when coincidentally so did a majority of other Americans?!?! What a fucking scandal. Have you gone to the papers?

by that same logic trump is just as good because he too changed his mind when he ran for president.

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Biden […] has a solid history of changing his mind but only once it becomes politically convenient for him

You say that like it’s a bad thing. Biden has sat himself in the center of his voterbase his entire career.

I see that as being a good thing for a democratically elected politician.

by that same logic trump is just as good because he too changed his mind when he ran for president.

then we wouldn’t have someone to run against trump.

well besides bernie, but he’ll never get the nomination no matter what.

you’re steering the conversation away from the matter at hand; sodomly laws have little to do w what i said.

New account made 3 hours ago? Check. Comments almost exclusively on political threads? Check. When doing so, almost exclusively makes “both sides are the same” comments? Check.

How’s the trolling going, friend?

i used to believe reddit was the king dumbass echo chambers; now i know that the fediverse makes reddit same sane and reasonable by comparison.

these engagements always go the same way, so here’s a copy/paste from somewhere else:

since you’re clearly digging in your heels; i’m going to try to undercut your next arguments since they are always the same three from the deeply ignorant liberal crowd:

• biden recently defended his decisions on all three [DOMA; don’t ask, don’t tell; undischargable student loan debt] plus multiple more shitty decisions; so it doesn’t matter how long ago he said it or made those laws.
• biden refused to change his mind all the way up until his presidential campaign and has a solid history of changing his mind but only once it becomes politically convenient for him; so he didn’t “evolve” or get better, he just knows that trump is weaker on this topic and uses your ignorance about his past of truly horrific anti-lgbtq/black/poor history to get your vote.

Additionally: no, dunking on gays for easy politically points in the past wasn’t popular, many politicians (eg bernie sanders) never did it.

• his beliefs are the reason why he’s not bothering to improve anything, especially on the student loan debt. also: yes there are many things he can do even though congress is trying to block him; but he won’t do it no matter what. (google these too)

these engagements always go the same way, so here’s a copy/paste from somewhere else:

since you’re clearly digging in your heels; i’m going to try to undercut your next arguments since they are always the same three from the deeply ignorant liberal crowd:

• biden recently defended his decisions on all three plus multiple more shitty decisions; so it doesn’t matter how long ago he said it or made those laws.
• biden refused to change his mind all the way up until his presidential campaign and has a solid history of changing his mind but only once it becomes politically convenient for him; so he didn’t “evolve” or get better, he just knows that trump is weaker on this topic and uses your ignorance about his past of truly horrific anti-lgbtq/black/poor history to get your vote.

Additionally: no, dunking on gays for easy politically points in the past wasn’t popular, many politicians (eg bernie sanders) never did it.

• his beliefs are the reason why he’s not bothering to improve anything, especially on the student loan debt. also: yes there are many things he can do even though congress is trying to block him; but he won’t do it no matter what. (google these too)

they’ve been ready for him; that’s why most republicans very publicly kiss his ass; all in the hopes that they don’t draw ire when he is inevitably made ineligible to run.

This is just plain bizarre. This is some IMAX level projection from an obvious trump troll. There is no Biden cult, sorry to burst your desperate and pathetic “both sides” fantasy.

i hate trump and it’s so much MUCH worse and embarrassing when someone from the same political side as me speaks from such thorough ignorance about it.

do yourself a favor and spend 30 seconds on googling biden’s stances on doma, dont ask don’t tell and the student loan crisis; to get a glimpse at how he thinks about marginalized/at-risk groups and how’s he’s used them for decades for his political gain.

since you’re clearly digging in your heels; i’m going to try to undercut your next arguments since they are always the same three from the deeply ignorant liberal crowd:

1. biden recently defended his decisions on all three plus multiple more shitty decisions; so it doesn’t matter how long ago he said it or made those laws.
2. biden refused to change his mind all the way up until his presidential campaign and has a solid history of changing his mind but only once it becomes politically convenient for him; so he didn’t “evolve” or get better, he just knows that trump is weaker on this topic and uses your ignorance about his past of truly horrific anti-lgbtq/black/poor history to get your vote.

Additionally: no, dunking on gays for easy politically points in the past wasn’t popular, many politicians (eg bernie sanders) never did it.

3. his beliefs are the reason why he’s not bothering to improve anything, especially on the student loan debt. also: yes there are many things he can do even though congress is trying to block him; but he won’t do it no matter what. (google these too)

What Biden supporters? I don’t know any Biden supporters. Does anyone here know any Biden supporters? I’m voting for Biden because he’s not a Republican, not because I support him.

Do you really think Biden won the election in 2016 because people liked him?

i think you meant 2020 and, yes, he’s got a cult following, especially on the fediverse who defend him no matter what and all of the exchanges start like this.

he still stands by this decision and defended it during his 2020 campaign.

They can’t. They can’t understand anything outside of their tiny sphere. Everything else angers and terrifies them. Otherwise they wouldn’t be conservatives. So there’s no point in asking them. It’s like asking a turtle to fly.

being an elder millennial has afforded me to opportunity to experience biden’s trump like behaviors that he signed into law and watching w fascination that his current supporters are just as willfully ignorant as trump supporters.

the real mind boggling thing is that all of biden and trump’s homophobic, racists, and classicist sins are both alike and easy to find with a 30 second google search; but both groups continue to ascribe values to their politician despite it being very easy to disprove and each person will dig in their heels when you point it out to them.

conservative trump supporters are no different than liberal biden supporters in that neither group is aware of what biden has done (or what trump wants to do) and both groups are fervently willfully ignorant about it so long as their politician wins.

I voted for Biden as the least worst of the only two bad options, as I have in every general election I have participated in in both Congressional and Presidential races.

and that’s all you’re ever going to get w this system; let it fail.

… I want them to govern for the good of all, even conservatives that didn’t vote for them. I want them to respect history and science, rather than spouting bullshit conspiracy theories with zero basis in fact.

By those criteria, Biden has been as good a president as I could hope for.

here’s an article going over biden spouting bullshit conspiracy theories with zero basis in fact and providing shitty governance for lgbtq people by singling them out for political gain: https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-1973-gay-federal-employees-security-risk-frank-camp.

there are many more examples from in his 2020 campaign that prove biden’s a shitty establishment politician that still stands by his bullshit racist, homophobic, and classicist conspiracy beliefs to this day.

trumpers are no different than you; they’re simply operating w a different style of ignorance.