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  • uh huh.

    if bernie actually did the work to attract me actual base of the party, which by the way are not college age kids but black people, specifically black women, he would not have lost the primary.

    and since that election he had another 4 years to work on his extreme deficit with black voters, but had zero outreach with that cohort. instead he doubled down on the youth vote.

    that’s not a strategy to win a primary. but it’s a perfect strategy to try to split off young voters into not supporting the democratic choice in the future. and not shutting down conspiracy theories about rigged primaries doesn’t help either. what it does is create distrust where there shouldn’t be, fracture the party to turn against itself instead of the real threat which is the republican party, and in fact increase the chances that republicans win in greater margins because the super bernie side refuses to be smart and do damage limitation by not voting for the viable non republican candidate.

    and by the way a few additional things that need to be considered:

    1. if he wants the democratic nomination, why doesn’t he formally join the party? what he was asking for has been equal access to resources without a full commitment to the party. you all would rightfully object if I declared I’m running for president as a democrat even though I’m a registered non partisan. what makes him any different from me as far as the party is concerned?
    2. it really is rich how you are all upset about the democrats (allegedly) putting the thumb on the scale for a candidate so now there is a pledge that all people in dnc leadership have to agree to that formally states that leadership will be neutral in all party races from now on. so which is it, you don’t want the dnc influencing races or do you not want the voters in the districts to decide who their candidates should be without party influences?
    3. you also all think that the super progressive democratic candidate will play everywhere in the country. sure, it may work where I live. but I’m a blue® dot in a state trump won by 31 points. you have to run candidates that will win and super liberals in places like appalachia, oklahoma, or wyoming would consider it a good race if they lost by 50 points.

    what it seems like to me is that what the vast majority of people here want is to destroy the democratic party from the ground up in the name of a stupid purity test the vast majority of the party does not agree with, and they want to do it while the most dangerous, insane person who is also the head of a violent cult is in the white house. you’re trying to make your own left wing cult with either bernie or aoc as the head and the rest of the party is not with that.

    as I said above I’m not a registered democrat. I find myself politically closer to aoc and bernie. and I’M telling y’all that following and supporting hogg’s move will end the democratic party or any viable non republican party for generations.


  • what hogg is doing is wrong and destructive enough to irreparably splinter the party. it’s bad enough that he might be voluntold to resign.

    but what carville is talking about doing is stupid moronic and only puts his name in the news again. he’s not only got no standing, he’d be laughed out of court.

    in a vacuum what hogg is doing is fine. but the vice president of the party is never the appropriate person to do that. the party is responsible for getting more democrats. if the democrats in office are not doing the job or made for the current moment it’s up to the local grassroots orgs and activists to recruit, fundraise, organize, and turn out primary voters for better democrats. the party has no business getting involved in any democratic primary unless there is an obvious planted republican stalking horse involved.

    and if the local folks back in the district cannot or will not find a quality qualified candidate to run, that’s in them not the national party.


  • there’s anti union as in “we think they’re a nuisance but we are tolerating them” and anti union as in “we are going to do everything in our power, legally and otherwise to make sure a union does not form or actively work to break the union that is in existence now”, companies like amazon and walmart and starbucks. if costco is anti union they are definitely not the second from what I’ve seen.




  • puritans. you know the people so uptight that the english told them to get the fuck out (or rather they left to practice their uber conservative religion without consequences from the rest of the people).

    for whatever reason to our extreme detriment the super conservative religions grow in this country and we’ve all (in general) been taught to not call that oppressive lifestyle out to be polite. it explains why evangelical christianity isn’t really much of a thing outside this country.








  • i’d like to think most of us saw all of the pride/dei public promotion as virtue signaling (and being honest i was **not **one of those people). but now i hope all of those corporations get all the backlash. not because they were pulling back on all of that but because they were using the very public symbolism as a marketing opportunity and nothing else. it gives the impression that they never had implemented any of those practices or believed in people being who they are in the first place and that’s worse. i would not shop at those places just for these places using very public movements as an “US TOO!” crass commercial opportunity. end stage capitalism in practice, and now watch as these same corporations cry poverty and some sort of activist interference because the free market is reacting to their actions.






  • he’s only saying that because he happens to live in a super liberal small rural state.

    know what happens in most ither states where you don’t have name recognition or a party infrastructure behind you and you run for office? unless you have some sort of money reserve you can tap into and dollar bills come gushing out like an oil geyser, it’s damn near impossible to not just win but get ballot access TO win. and if you do get ballot access, all you will do is steal votes from the registered democratic candidate (or the democratic candidate steals votes from you) and the republican wins.

    a brilliant strategy from a man who twice ran for president as a democrat but refused to change his party affiliation. he didn’t even take his own damn advice, and look at what that got us. just the fact that he didn’t do this his own damn self should show how stupid an idea it actually is.

    and by the way, sure he and aoc are drawing huge crowds. crowds are nothing. how many of those people vote? how many of those people get 2 more people to vote? just showing up to a rally means absolutely fuckall if you don’t actually go vote and vote for viable candidates. because if your message resonates with the people enough you don’t have to run unaffiliated with a major party because you would have the votes to run and win as a democratic candidate in the first place. because to be very honest, the thing that bernie is suggesting not only sounds like an exercise in liberal grifting, it also sounds like an excellent way to divide a voting bloc that when split has absolutely no chance of beating a republican ever but would absolutely lead to entrenched infighting among a group that should be united in beating republican christian nationalist fascism.