LeadersAtWork

Patient of a saint right here.

Easy: People within its ranks will begin to make choices. Not necessarily take action, just make choices. If things continue small insubordinations will occur and eventually rifts at nearly every level.

If things got really bad the military would split into three:

1. Pro Trump
2. Pro United States
3. Undecided/Everyone else.

If this happens it will be a test of the quality of leadership on both major sides. A fundamental breaking of the chain. It’s why Trump wants to replace current military leadership: They’ve told him no. A pattern we’ll continue to see for at least two years.

How?

Good point. It’s not as if there is ‘No way to prevent this,’ Says only nation where this regularly happens.

Children are being shot and there is a much higher chance of these kids needing this plate than literally anywhere else that isn’t an active warzone. That statistic alone should say enough. This IS a problem and we should not downplay that fact.

That’s the danger: We already expect it to be higher and will sit back if it creeps up. All the while saying, “Yeah, that checks out.”

RIP, my friend. I’m sorry we couldn’t pull it off in the end. Hopefully things won’t turn out as bad as we fear. It’s a small chance, though we may even exit this time of turmoil better than we were.

Once again you’re wrong and you’re clearly stuck, refusing to actually listen. It’s all outlined. At this point I’d just be repeating myself. Not everything is black and white, there are nuances in the grey. Figure it out.

“Genocide Joe”. This cycle the only people who called him that were individuals who wouldn’t vote for him. Typically single issue Gaza voters. That and what you’ve said makes me believe you either abstained from voting, or voted third party, maybe even voted Trump though that is less likely.

If I’m right then you are part of the problem. In situations like this last election, the status quo, which has shown it will budge and move at least a bit, is much better than a party who has literally been recorded saying incredibly malicious and evil things, nevermind what Trump has claimed. This is a worst case scenario. It’s a valley where incredible change can happen in either direction and voters like you are a direct cause of this. Just look at how you repeated the same tired arguments three times in your replies. Ones you’ve probably repeated a hundred times, “Don’t vote for Genocide Joe”.

Okay, at the risk of being censored: You’re actually being stupid.

We do NOT support the current Democrats, nor the party, nor their way of doing things. We supported trying to make sure Trump did not get a second term by standing beside the only candidate(s) that had a chance because there wasn’t anyone else. So stop for a second and think because it’s clear you’re a single issue voter: You can’t stop repeating the same faulty freaking logic.

Then is not now.

Then does not mean we supported them.

We wanted a better world. Days where we don’t have to worry so much. We support Gaza and Ukraine.

If this and much, much more means supporting the opponent of a would-be dictator, then we fucking do so. That’s the difference. WE SAW THE BIGGER PICTURE and did what we had to do.

It was what had to be done. The Dems fucked up their messaging. However, people like you chose to fuck our home and possibly the world to greater and lesser degrees because you stand so damned fucking stalwart it’s like trying to convince a brick wall to fall over with kind words of encouragement. If I live through these next four years I hope to be a part of the team that writes the history books. If I am I’ll make sure to cite people like you, @MisterScruffy , for your contribution towards tyranny and dictatorship.

And for the record: Yes, I’m pissed. Not at you, you’re dumb. At what brought us to this point.

Sticking with it wasn’t a choice. You seem to believe taking our current situation and just rolling that shit back is a time machine we have the capacity of producing. There was no other candidate and we knew that. Unless you have a realistic suggestion that would have worked at the time.

We’re listening.

You sure aren’t living up to that name with comments like that.

Look, it wasn’t about Biden or Harris or Obama or whomever else you want to project your shitty little excuses on. This cycle was about stopping a then would-be dictator. We were trying to do right by the world. Not by you. Not by the MAGA cultists. Not by Gaza or Ukraine alone. For everyone through stopping someone who had made it clear he, and through the agreement and support of the GOP, would do worse.

Then you single issue idiotic disappointments wouldn’t wake the fuck up. Yes, the Dems fucked up. Harris started strong and some snob Left probably ancient “strategist” convinced her to shift gears and she toned it down, along with other bad choices. It was shit. You know what I can die knowing I did?

Not voting someone who might actually be fucking evil BACK into the Office of the Biggest God Damn Chair we have. So kiss my ass, Schwdinehund, at least we tried to stop what’s coming.

Wait wait, I remember a guy who was constantly arguing and berating everyone about how Biden was just the worst Satan reincarnation or some shit and how we all needed to band together against both him and Harris. Oooh @HomerianSymphony , you still around, bud?

We’d like an interview.

Next thing we know you’ll be claiming Willy Wonka’s sequel continues on a train.

I can still feel the spot on the bottom of my right foot. A spot where years prior one of those nails that you see on the back of some upholstery, the kind that looks like a large rounded button, had pierced my very sole.

I can still dimly remember the pain. The worst wasn’t stepping on it, the worst was getting the fucker back out.

You set a shocking precedent and then write into law that it can never be done again. Pretty much play the Republican game except better. In fact, this could fix pretty much everything. Enact incredible, and sometimes extremely grey, choices and decisions to repair things. Then make sure it could never legally happen again.

The person or people doing this would have to immediately step down. I would prefer if they took a hit for the team to really cement the sacrifice. Alas, we do not live in that sort of world.

I’m expecting Trump to twist this, claim a voluntary recess, and slam through the rest of his preferences.

Assuming I’m not behind and he hasn’t gotten them all through already.

Interesting. ASSUMING all these words in the article aren’t hollow, many colleagues do support AOC. If it wasn’t for ol’ Nancy sticking her finger in the dike this may not have been too controversial.

Problem is this reads, and probably is, a buying time sort of deal. To the old geriatric leadership AOC is a threat to how they do things. More importantly, like with Bernie, she’s a threat due to her supporters.

Thank you for the overview. I wasn’t aware of these nuances. Our system is so damned complicated.

Could you explain what this means? I learned a lot back in 2016, a bit more in 2020, but find I’m still a bit ignorant.

That’s the thing: She was doing fine initially. Not even when you measured her up against Biden, just in general. She came out verbally lashing Trump and challenging everything he and his cronies tried to do. She did exactly what I was hoping she’d do and lean on her experience in law and not tried to be charismatic.

What I suspect happened is she was pulled aside and told it wouldn’t work. Chances are she was made to bend and rather than leverage her position she did bend. Or perhaps she was convinced to do so, I don’t know. After Bernie in 2016 I don’t trust the Dems at all when it comes to elections. Not in the sense of corrupt votes or whatever, in that they’d choose a losing candidate or choose to lose over having to admit they need to step aside and let the energy flow.