Be that as it may, we know that the majority of readers wouldn’t read past the title. Knowing this, NewsWeek still decided to not include the name of the anti-trump podcast which dethroned Joe Rogan’s podcast. I think this is the bias that they are referring to.
Do y’all read the articles before commenting?
Underlining the difficulty Europe could have in summoning a united response, some member states, including Slovenia, the Czech Republic and Romania, said they were unhappy that the Paris meeting was not a full EU summit.
“On a symbolic level, the organisers of the Paris summit show to the world that even within the EU, not all states are treated equally,” Slovenia’s pro-European president, Nataša Pirc Musar, said in a statement.
I’m what the culture’s feeling. I just speak on it because we’ve been eating this shit for so long, but no one seems to notice and no one seems to care.
I just invited you (well, presumably, the Romanian government) to do that. And also mentioned how that’s kind of a foot in the mouth moment:
I can’t disprove that I’m part of the Romanian government without revealing personally identifiable information. This is called arguing in bad faith and violates the rules of this community. Read the tab on your right. Furthermore, this is an attack on my character, not my argument.
You can’t decided on a “what” question, only on a concrete proposal. A plan. Can you field such a thing? Do you have it somewhere in a drawer? Why have a prominent, high-stakes summit if there’s nothing to decide. Press will be there, expectations high, results are expected. So make sure you can deliver results. Things must be hashed out beforehand using the usual diplomatic channels.
You are speaking nonsense. If we had to have a plan precooked before we could be invited, what’s the point of the brainstorming session? Did all those 8 countries have a fucking plan too?
Do you want UK boots next to EU boots on Ukrainian ground? Then include the UK. It can’t be a EU summit because the UK is included. It must be done before the EU thing so we know what the UK is ok with, what not, what its whole idea of the thing is. Outside perception wise, this summit (as opposed to diplomats having a zoom call) is about signalling: The UK is in the fray.
If it’s just about signaling that the UK is in the fray, why invite a bunch of EU members to the backdoor meeting? We would have seen each other in the regularly scheduled summit, right?
Oh. Good one. But the reason is simple: Because Turkey is a giant PITA both-sides’ing the whole thing. You’ll never get a firm stance out of them, for the simple reason that they don’t do firm stances. They juggle. “Zero problems with any neighbour to bring about the justice that Allah commanded” and they do consider Russia a neighbour.
They consider Russia a client, not a neighbour. Much like anyone else who is willing to dish out some money. I’m not saying they’re morally correct. I’m saying that they are strategically relevant and yet were not invited.
Not terribly relevant right now, no. It’s not like Turkey wouldn’t be selling them… or that Ukraine didn’t, by now, have actually equally capable to superior drone tech themselves.
We’re brainstorming, right? If America isn’t selling drones anymore, gotta get 'em from somewhere. You’re just arrogantly writing off a supplier.
No you’re a drunken land bridge to Greece with a language without grammatical exceptions, because for there to be exceptions there would have to be rules in the first place. If you want to be useful right now, yes, do summit with EU neighbours and Moldova and non-EU Balkans, then bring that to the EU table as France will bring the UK’s stance to the table.
Your overt bigotry aside, I bring forth to you again the question, if it’s just about signaling that the UK is in the fray, why invite a bunch of EU members to the backdoor meeting? Much less ignore a bunch of other EU members.
OK so at this point you have sufficiently demonstrated my point. It was never about strategic relevance, because then Romania, Bulgaria and Greece would have been invited. If it was about being in the EU, then they wouldn’t have invited the UK. If it was about military might, they would have invited Turkey. What I can only surmise from here on is the fact that we in Eastern Europe were never part of the equation. We are only here as a buffer. They could have invited our reps just for show, but they couldn’t be assed to do that.
OK if they’re a dime a dozen, then why not drop a dime and call a god damn EU summit? The agenda is pretty fucking clear, no? What are we doing about Ukraine? Why leave us in the cold? The fact that the UK is invited but Eastern EU isn’t is so fucking insane. Actually, let’s go a step further. Why wasn’t Turkey invited? It’s not EU and Erdogan is a piece of shit, sure, but I’m betting those Bayraktar drones would prove pretty useful during wartime, no? Add to that the fact that it also shares the Black Sea with Ukraine. Really ask yourself the question: What was the criteria for an invitation? The UK was invited so it’s not about being in the EU. All of Eastern EU + Turkey wasn’t invited, so it must not be about military might and strategic relevance. So what are the criteria?
I’ve said it once, I’ll say it again: If you want a united EU, then stop treating us as if we’re just a buffer zone between Western Europe and Russia. Enough is enough.
Be that as it may, it’s way out in Western Europe. The question was whether those countries have military offerings. The answer is yes, by virtue of proximity. Furthermore the Hellenic Army is significantly larger and the combined weapons manufacturing industry of the Balkans is nothing to scoff at. It just boils down to the fact that if Ukraine falls, we in Eastern Europe are next, but no one fucking gives a shit. Cannon fodder for the West.
Did you just call the meeting where EU decides their approach to the conflict in Ukraine with waning American support a fucking brainstorming session? This is not fantasy football. People’s lives are at stake, both in Ukraine and otherwise. If the world wants for the EU to show a united front, then why not have a fucking summit, instead of cherry-picking?
Adding to my answer, it is just as I said. The reps of only those 8 countries were invited, plus Ursula von der Leyen, Antonio Costa and Mark Rutte. This is not an EU summit. That’s the entire problem.
Aight sick, so why invite anyone? We’re all NATO in the EU, right? Just have Macron, Antonio Costa, Ursula von der Leyen and Mark Rutte in the room.
Poland is officially considered Central Europe, but sure, why play semantics? Let’s call it Eastern Europe. This would be an even better reason to invite all other Eastern Europe reps. Why just invite one, right?
As far as I can surmise from the article, no. No one else was even invited.
Does Spain? Or are they just bringing the fucking paella for the meeting?
Look up the size of the Hellenic Army. Notice that Romania borders with Ukraine. Notice that Bulgaria and Romania share the Black Sea with it.
The whole world cries for a united EU and yet we never get a seat at the table. Sorry for being annoyed by the hypocrisy a little.
The leaders of France, Germany, Britain, Italy, Poland, Spain, the Netherlands and Denmark, as well as the presidents of the European Commission and the European Council and the Nato secretary general are expected to attend.
Discussing Ukraine crisis, but doesn’t invite Romania, Bulgaria, Greece or any Balkan country for that matter. Love it. Why would Euroscepticism be on the rise? Why would far-right parties be on the up-and-up? Why would people be turning more Z?
Call out America for discussing the conflict without involving Ukraine (as you rightfully should), but then do basically the same thing with literally everyone in Eastern Europe. Fucking hypocrites.
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Let this thread be a demonstration of the fact that Western Europe has always seen us of Eastern Europe as nothing more than uneducated barbarians. They will judge the American harshly for their treatment of minorities, but they will never exercise the same level of criticism to their treatment of their own neighbors, let alone their own minority groups. I don’t agree with much of what Slavoj Žižek says, but what he said back in 1996 rings true even now, which is that they will always see us as beneath them.
I couldn’t agree more. Forced labor camps for the citizenry is totally ok, but you don’t just fuck with the bag. Eli Lilly, Astra Zeneca, Pfizer & friends won’t allow even the restriction of SSRIs, let alone the banning. Worst case scenario, they get “forced” to increase the price.
You are showcasing either malicious revisionism or media illiteracy. D pledged unconditional military aid to Israel. There’s nothing that indicates that they would have been better for Gaza than Fuckface 45-47. If there was they should have ran on that as their platform. There’s no such thing as a little genocide. There either is or isn’t. If you can’t understand that after all this time, then you might be suffering from manufactured consent poisoning.
Do you genuinely think that billionaires give a fuck about armed insurrection, from their triple reinforced bunkers? They can’t hide their income though. If only there was a way to attack that.
By the same logic, if trump had his way, what makes you think you’d be able to vote for a new president?
You got midterm elections coming up. Also local elections. One could argue that the success of R comes from the fact that they bid their time, slowly but surely spreading their fascist poison via local elections. The presidency isn’t everything!
Poor Democrats. They’re only a ragtag group of activists that are the largest political party outside of Asia with billions of dollars at their disposal! What leverage do they have? /s
The paid shills aren’t the only ones saying that D isn’t doing anything. D is saying they’re not doing anything. Critically reexamine your unquestioning loyalty and need to give them the guac guac at every turn.
So the play here is to just give R enough rope to hang themselves with? Let them take a sledgehammer to the rule of law and then run again on the platform of “at least we’re not the ones who took a sledgehammer to the rule of law”? Do they genuinely think that that will work with a voter base with no object permanence? I didn’t know this was possible, but shit is getting sadder by the second.
Increase the price of the product, prepare for less clients and weather the storm. We’re all eating a free market-sourced shit sandwich out here.
Could it be? Has the collective spine of Dems finally grown in?
The fact that you can listen to Stromae means that not all people of Tutsi descent are dead. There is no such thing as the Rwandan genocide! I guess since there are still Jewish and Romani people, the Nazi Party were not complicit in genocide either. Clearly not. Jewish and Romani people exist to this day. Some even live in Poland! What genocide? \s
You are a deeply unserious person. There is no chance in hell that you are arguing in good faith. You are arguing for the sake of arguing.