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  • Sounds insane […]

    This is in Italy, it IS insane, and admittedly I don’t know how much my grievances against S&S are mitigated by automatic transmissions (never used in tests).
    Tests do not require you to disable S&S, instructors simply tell you not to let out the clutch while in neutral to avoid it, but the strictest examiners see engine shutdowns as “failure to correctly operate the vehicle”, like stalling - if it happens once, we all make mistakes, if it happens twice, come on man, if it happens three times k gg bb, it doesn’t matter whether it’s a feature of the car.

    There are arguments that having your engine off on the road is unsafe, I guess those examiners are just being zealous? If they even exist, I’m trusting my instructor’s tales on this factoid, but drivers’ ed here is very strict so I’m inclined to believe him.

    Most of the people who turn S&S off do so because they find it annoying, I myself try to use it effectively but I prefer driving responsibly rather than playing chess with a half-metric-ton deadly weapon.

    I do know that S&S systems require better starters, but that just means they cost more, right? And even if the increased cost is marginal, the increased fuel consumption on short stops is still a problem.


  • As far as I’ve read around, S&S mainly wears out the starter, not the engine itself.

    I don’t understand how the system could cause problems on slippery roads, but if it works on OP’s car like it does in mine, the way it’s designed to kick in is dumb, infuriating and counterproductive.

    I have to disable it every time I start the car, because otherwise it would just stop the engine and restart it immediately whenever I get to a stop sign (which burns more fuel than just staying on).
    BUT, if I want S&S to work, I need to re-enable it BEFORE I slow down, otherwise it just doesn’t - but I can’t predict how long I have to wait when I stop before I get to the sign, if I could they wouldn’t have put a stop sign there in the first place!

    So I either:

    • keep S&S enabled and disable it at every busy junction before I put it in neutral, then enable it again;
    • forget about it and always keep it on, wasting fuel, increasing emissions, prematurely having my starter replaced to prevent failures in the middle of busy roads;
    • forget about it and always keep it off or just never put the car in neutral, which is what all driving schools in my country teach drivers to do by the way (people have failed their tests by not preventing the engine shutdown), and possibly fully shut the engine off at my not-taking-drivers-license-test discretion.

    And my car isn’t even a KIA, I can’t imagine how bad the S&S system would be on a KIA!