Or are you just going to do nothing (except attack the “uppity” women who are complaining about it) and consider it to be not your problem?

Ok.

Never once did I do this. I’ve been saying, over and over, that everyone should be treated like a human. All I can do is be the change I want to see.

You then just go on to blame men for everything. Men are the problem. Women being treated poorly, men’s fault. Men being treated poorly, men’s fault.

So women never do anything wrong and it’s all men’s fault. And I need to magically fix the whole problem or shut up and deal with being treated poorly.

You are a toxic person. You are dishonest, putting words in my mouth. You are the reason why people don’t take feminism seriously. You’re more interested in bashing men than trying to solve anything.

I’m done. I’m not going to waste my time without someone who can’t have a conversation without sarcastic attacks and lying about my actions and stances. Get blocked troll.

You sound mad at me for saying that I should be treated fairly. Women also deal with it yes. But I don’t get why you feel the need to attack me for bringing it up. I’m sure you get upset if someone attacked a woman for being asked to be treated fairly.

You seem very angry at the world to the point where you are attacking people who want to be your allies and want the same thing. You even say “don’t make the problem worse by attacking people who are just trying to defend themselves” yet here you are with a sarcastic “oh no” and attacking me for literally just saying I want to be treated like a human. The hypocrisy is wild…

Who says they can’t? They should be able to.

Here’s a crazy idea, instead of making men suffer because women suffer, we just stop.

Well your last sentence really shows you don’t care. Let’s see how this works. If you don’t like women getting treated like meat help fix the root of the problem instead of bitching about your false victimhood. Am I doing it right? It’s this how we help each other fix problems?

Ok

K

I’m a bigger guy, about 6’3" and about 230 lbs, so I get that I look intimidating some times. But I’ve honestly just walked past a woman and smiled at them and get a nasty look. I go out of my way to put out a happy and positive image and still sometimes get looked at like I’m some threat.

It’s tiring and honestly at some point you just stop caring. I stop smiling and reassuring everyone smaller than me to make them feel better, because what’s the point. I’ve become jaded.

Lol so much bs in a single response without saying a damn thing. About what I expected. You even laughed at your own nonsense, so at least there’s that I guess.

It’s clear you’re not interested in a convo. Just misrepresenting things said over and over while not contributing to the conversation at all. I’m sure you have lots of experience being treated like a creep with that mindset, which makes this list make a lot of sense.

Your point is to ignore that and blame the voters.

Can you like, just not read? I said people should be represented.

Let’s concede your point. Great. Voters are at fault and the party has no responsibility to represent them

I never once said this. This is just you propping up this argument to avoid addressing any points I made. I said people who didn’t vote did not take their opportunity to prevent this. That’s just reality and facts my guy. If those upset you, I dunno what to say, you can try alternative facts, I hear republicans love those.

Do you suppose the electorate is going to change? Do you suppose republicans are gonna come around?

I dunno, but what I do know is you’re not capable of having a conversation about those things. Why would I? You would just tell me how I feel and then insult me about it lol. You’re not interested in a convo, you just want to mindlessly yell at someone without having to consider a new viewpoint at all. Just insult someone who disagrees, you sound like a republican for sure. And unable to address the actual topic, seems very republican too. Making up stuff I didn’t say and using that in your argument, that seems very republican in nature. You must love where we’re at huh? Everyone is acting like you.

Listen, you’re too emotional and caught up in yourself to have an actual conversation. You can’t help but make wild assumptions, put words in my mouth, and run away with concepts I don’t even agree with. You are part of the problem with the system. You ignore reality and just yell how you feel a lot, yell about how the ideal world should be, without being grounded in reality at all or even being willing to discuss it. You look at the world like a child, and argue like one too. Unable to address actual points, so you just make up stuff and rant about it. You don’t need me for that; you seem more than capable of arguing with yourself.

Is paying attention to whether you are staring too difficult?

Is being honest too difficult? There is no room to have a conversation here with how you’re presenting things. This isn’t just “don’t stare” and you presenting it as such is arguing in bad faith. What was said, incase you somehow forgot what you yourself wrote was

Just avoid looking at anyone for longer than a second or two, but don’t try to look like you are avoiding looking at anyone. If in close proximity, acknowledge their existence and then focus on something else. If they start conversing, reciprocate but do not try to keep the conversation going if it trails off. If they don’t appear to open to a conversation and you are in close proximity, a small nod to indicate you noticed them and then changing your focus is a really good way to indicate you noticed them, but are not interested in interacting with them.

Man, seems like it’s more than just not staring to me. You actually call out " don’t try to look like you are avoiding looking at anyone" which is the opposite of staring. So you need to look at them, but not too much, just the magical right amount that you should know.

Is being aware that initiating or dragging out conversations with women you don’t know often comes across as intimidating too difficult to understand?

Nah, but I should be able to just keep to myself and not have a conversation without being treated like a predator for it. Again, you’re being extremely dishonest in how you frame things. You wrote the whole list of things you think people should do and now you act like “it’s just two simple things” ignoring what you wrote. Hell, I’d think these two message were written by two different people they’re so disconnected.

There isn’t a less complicated answer.

JFC. You waffle so often I don’t think you even know what you mean. " Is paying attention to whether you are staring too difficult?" also “it’s a complicated answer.” So why did you frame it like it was just two simple things when you know it’s a complex answer? Because you’re being dishonest.

This shouldn’t be a complex answer. The answer should be “don’t treat people like shit without knowing them.” That should be the answer. Not a list of magical rules every man has to follow just to make sure they get treated like a human.

This is missing the entire point.

The fact that I have to go out of my way to make myself seem less like a threat, simply because of who I am, so that I’m treated like a human. There is this idea that you should be able to be yourself and not apologize for it. But I have to run through situations and make sure I do things, but not too much. I can’t just keep to myself without being treated like I’m some threat. It’s insulting and it errodes empathy.

Women should not have to sacrifice their safety for your comfort.

Who the fuck is saying this? I’m asking to be treated like a person and not a predator simply because of my gender. I thought treating people poorly based solely on their gender was wrong. Guess that only goes one way.

What are women doing to make me feel like they won’t attack me? Do they have to disprove stereotypes just to be treated like a person? No. I have to make sure I make women feel comfortable and do this checklist of things just to be treated normally? I can’t just keep to myself?

Why can’t we just treat people like people and not judge an entire gender, on either side, with one sweeping stroke.

A person proposed an issue, on how they’re treated and not knowing what to do. Your response was a check list to go through and things you have to do, but but too much, and don’t ignore certain people. Your solution to the problem is unreasonable, that’s what I’m saying.

I don’t understand what’s so hard to follow.

So I have to run through a check list for every single encounter I have just to not be treated like an animal. I can’t just exist and go about my life? I mean, I don’t see this helping the problem.

Constantly being treated like a bad guy, no matter what you do or how hard you try gets wearing. Right or wrong, it makes some men apathetic.

This is still deflecting from the issue I’m talking about. Everyone keeps bringing up what the DNC should have done differently, and you can make a long list of those things, but that is not my point.

My point is, people had a choice, regardless of how they felt about the choices, they could choose Trump or Harris. A large portion of people didn’t pick either one. Those people accepted that they were ok with either choice, because if they weren’t, they would have prevented the outcome they thought was worse. That is my point. People could have impacted the outcome and chose not to. If they don’t like how things are going now, good. They need to remember this next time and realize that voting for the least shitty of the two will at least prevent the worst case scenario. Taking a stance and not voting to send a message doesn’t really do shit when the guy you let in office wants to remove term limits and get rid of checks and balances while ignoring the constitution. But hey, I guess at least they feel good about not voting for anything remotely bad as the world burns.

Why do I care? Because people who did nothing are trying to deflect the blame. People who didn’t vote are just as responsible for the situation we’re in and they need to understand that. They need to understand that not voting, especially due to a single issue, can have a very negative outcome.

This isn’t about you feeling represented, even though you should. That’s the problem, people keep going back to that. They are two separate issues. Not being represented in the way you want doesn’t remove your ability to vote for the best choice available.

You can keep insulting me, assuming what I want, and making wild accusations about my political stance. It doesn’t change the point and it makes you look like an immature, overly emotional person who can’t have a reasonable conversation. Which seems to be the case.

I’ve never told you to shut up.

I’ve never talked about my political opinions, of anything I’ve eluded to not being happy with the situation.

You’re just making up things and throwing them at the wall because you don’t like my opinion. But instead of engaging with the opinion and discussing it you’d rather play the victim while throwing insults.

I say people can still vote and you respond with “easy for you to say.” Yes, it is. Saying facts are easy. Try it. People could vote. They weren’t locked in their homes. They had the ability to vote. How is this even a debate?

If you want to have an actual conversation we can. If you just want to talk about me and make wild assumptions, there’s no room for a convo.

So just discredit my point of view by labeling me as the enemy. Sounds like you’re in a cult sir.

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They probably won’t. But that isn’t even the point, it’s the deflection. People had an option to vote. They didn’t. They are complicit.