Unsustainable consumerism is a big part of this problem and if we continue to give them even more money to lobby against us, we have already lost.

The belief that consumer habits don’t need to change and that everything can be solved by just voting for the right party every 4 years is not based in reality. I wish it was this easy.

If people buy and drive gas cars when they don’t have to, they are perpetuating the fossil fuel industry. If people choose to buy factory farmed products, they are funding factory farming with their money.

The sustainable options like electric cars and plant based alternatives also need demand to compete with the much more destructive counterparts. We have to push for the solutions, not finance the problems.

Can you think of a more profit-friendly message than “Just keep on consuming more, it’s fine, don’t question the consequences, keep up the status quo”? I can’t.

I don’t think the official one is gonna be bad by any means. They will probably fix the biggest flaws with hindsight and modernize the graphics, and it will be a big improvement over the original if everything goes right.

But ultimately they had deadlines to meet and many more games in the pipeline, whilst the Skyblivion team can work on everything for as long as it takes, experiment much more and put as much detail and soul into everything as they want. I think that will make a difference, but both will be good games.

Skyblivion (the fan remake) will probably have much more attention to detail and will also release this year, after over 10 years of development. The dev log videos look amazing. I’d be very surprised if the official remake is as good.

I wonder if they were just too blinded by greed to act rationally or were under the impression that they can control Trump enough to keep the economy afloat.

We also got Russia and the US weaponizing social media to support far-right parties. The EU needs to get their shit together.

I can imagine which kind of gun enthusiasts will form militias then, and what kind of values they will enforce… Certainly not equality and the rule of law. Many would probably hunt or terrorize immigrants and LGBT+ folks for leisure, for example.

Sure, police culture and accountability are broken in many places (especially in the US), but just getting rid of them while leaving a power vacuum for any nut jobs with power fantasies to fill, with literally 0 accountability, would be even more of an absolute nightmare for minorities.

Crypto bros depend on more people speculating with their currency of choice to increase the market value. If they’re pissed, that’s a good sign.

I’m not happy when people die. But looking at the scale of institionalized cruelty in the American healthcare system, I can certainly understand the feeling of retribution that many Americans have when people who are responsible for the suffering and deaths of others, while getting rich from that, get the same fate. Especially when they or people they know have been denied coverage. Of course some people don’t just want to bend over, and a political solution is out of the question for the foreseeable future.

Ich stimme dir zu dass Schritte in die richtige Richtung als positiv angesehen und ermutigt werden sollten, anstatt da negativ drauf zu reagieren. Egal ob es z.B. um das Thema Massentierhaltung oder Klimaschutz oder sonst ein Problem geht. Die meisten Menschen können Überzeugungen und Gewohnheiten nur schrittweise hinterfragen und ändern, so ist die menschliche Psychologie einfach.

Wenn jetzt aber ein Teil der Bevölkerung Hunde und Katzen so behandeln würde wie die Tiere in der Massentierhaltung behandelt werden, und ein anderer Teil der Bevölkerung das weiterhin als absolute Tierquälerei ablehnen würde, dann würden die letzteren sich auch sehr schwer damit tun ein “nur noch einem Hund in der Woche die Kehle durchscheiden zu lassen statt zwei” als (Zwischen-)Lösung zu befürworten. Aus ihrer Sicht würden sie damit Tierquälerei als vertretbar darstellen und legitimieren, was im direkten Konflikt mit ihren grundlegenden Überzeugungen steht.

Aus rationaler Sicht braucht gesellschaftlicher Wandel viel Zeit und Mühe, und Fortschritt bringt auch immer Wiederstand und Rückschläge mit sich, wie wir es gerade leider auch beim Klima sehen. Wenn etwas aber so emotional aufgeladen ist und einem so wichtig ist, dann sind viele Menschen emotional nicht dazu bereit diese bittere Pille zu akzeptieren. Das ist denke ich der Hauptgrund für diese “Ganz oder gar nicht” Haltung.

Die Frage ist ob es für einen Priorität hat dass es Tieren gut geht, oder ob man Tieren für den eigenen Genuss Schaden zufügen würde bzw. schaden zufügen lässt.

Wer ein paar Minuten des guten Geschmacks über das Leben eines Tieres stellt und Gewalttaten an Tieren befürwortet und mitfinanziert, ist von seinen Handlungen her ganz weit von einem Tierfreund entfernt. Egal ob es einem auch Spaß macht einen Hund zu streicheln oder nicht.

Wenn Tieren die Kehle durchzuschneiden und Tierfreund zu sein kein Widerspruch ist, dann können Kannibalen auch Menschenfreunde sein. Vorausgesetzt ihre Opfer hatten ein gutes Leben, wurden vor der Schlachtung betäubt, und so weiter. Ist schließlich auch gut fürs Gewissen.

Cruel cultural traditions make (good) people support horrible acts. A tale as old as time.

Fortunately plant-based alternatives have been growing and improving quite fast for 10-20 years now, so I’m hopeful that even those who “could never give up meat” might stop supporting those hell holes. I was one of them, after all.

Kabecz have been charged with several offences, including killing or injuring animals; causing unnecessary suffering to an animal; failing to provide adequate medical attention for an animal when it is wounded or ill; inflicting upon an animal acute suffering, serious injury or harm, or extreme anxiety or distress that significantly impairs its health or well-being.

Just inflict the same things on “farm animals” and it’s not only socially acceptable, but the average person will gladly buy the products, and therefore fund the abuse on factory farms.

We certainly have a looong way to go to become a decent society based on that metric.

Soy cake can be used to produce textured vegetable protein (meat alternatives), tofu, tempeh, soy milk, protein powder, biofuels and bioplastics, for example.

Calling that industrial waste is just a complete joke.

The land could also be used to grow other crops for human consumption.

You’re not the animals.

I literally wrote that this isn’t about me/humans, so yes, obviously.

There are many groups that are suffering and that I’m not part of, and I still care about what’s happening to them and want the suffering to end. It seems like most lemmy users share that sentiment when it comes to oppressed humans, so I really don’t get what’s so hard to understand about that when I extend it to animals.

You might have the opinion that factory farming isn’t a social justice issue, fine. Me having a different opinion doesn’t negatively affect you in any way. Why are you so pissed at me just because I see it differently?

Don’t you also draw a line when you choose to eat plants?

I think there’s a reasonable distinction here. You would presumably also draw a line between a conscious human and a brain dead human that won’t ever be conscious again. As far as we can reasonably tell, consciousness requires a brain. Dogs and pigs have brains, so maybe we shouldn’t torture and kill them on factory farms. We can also see them suffering and measure their physical reaction to it.

Of course there’s a possibility that plants have some kind of consciousness too, but 1. that’s speculation and 2. there’s no way around farming them, as you have said yourself:

Untill humans develop the ability to photosynthesize, we are going to have to eat other species, there’s no way around it.

Farming animals will always require far more plant deaths than growing plants for human consumption. These animals have to grow for months before being slaughtered and literally eat tons of animal feed in that time.

Therefore, plant-based food minimizes both animal suffering and deaths as well as plant deaths.

I’m not convinced that plant deaths are an ethical issue in of themselves, but farming has environmental implications so it makes sense to minimize the food that needs to be grown and make the farming as environmentally friendly as reasonably possible.

I’m sorry to hear that. The thing is, you mainly hear from those who are the most vocal, and those tend to be the most angry and therefore unreasonable. And those probably had their fair share of verbal (and/or physical) abuse from meat eaters, as vegans are hated on by a much, much larger part of society than the other way around. (That doesn’t justify their hate, of course)

It’s all a self reinforcing dynamic of groups riling each other up, unfortunately.

Just goes to show how little you care about others suffering. Social justice for me but not for others (those who I consider interior).

Inflammatory prejudices are only bad when others have them. They’re definitely the hateful ones, so lets spread some hate about them.

You just compared your eating preferences which are 100% a choice to someone being born homosexual and not wanting to be killed for it

All the animals on factory farms didn’t choose to be born there and don’t want to be killed either.

It’s not about the sensitivities of humans, but the insane suffering of animals in this system of oppression.

Haha, that’s the best troll comment I’ve seen in a while. Thank you for that.