It might seem a pedantic difference, but that does not entail that that central authority has rights, or at least not an unconditional right to exist. One could say a group of people have a right to organize in such a way that there is a central authority IF they do not break some set of rules, like that group of people must have a morally sound claim to the territory they’re going to administer, they must not use that authority to harm others without justification, so on and so forth. The ‘rights’ of the authority are entirely dependent on the rights of the people organizing and using it. Simply stating “Israel has a right to exist” is begging the question in a technical sense. It’s refusing to engage with the qualifications necessary to morally justify authority and simply stating that that authority is legitimate without justification.
Then the argument is usually “no, your country doesn’t exist, you just made it up”, same thing they use for Palestine. But you can bring up that Israel didn’t exist until people decided it did and made it up. Then they’ll talk about it being recognized. You can bring up numerous countries that are recognized by some, not others, and eventually the argument becomes “No, it only counts when I, the liberal currently speaking, decide that it counts as a country with a right to exist”.
Nothing its just pure idealism. Half of the countries in europe were invented by feudal lords and are just offshots of larger ethnic groups. Its even worse because european jews claim an unbroken line with ALL of the population of roman judea (not everyone was expelled or jewish in the first place) from 2000 years ago, thats just not the reality, they werent just having a temporary hotel stay in europe and then came back and decided to kick out the squaters.
It’s weird remains of divine right ideology baked but not explained in the very core of liberalism. Scratched even minimally it is revealed to be just base and original function of emerging state, that is usage of military power.
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That central authority will have territorial claims, and have to defend its existence.
It might seem a pedantic difference, but that does not entail that that central authority has rights, or at least not an unconditional right to exist. One could say a group of people have a right to organize in such a way that there is a central authority IF they do not break some set of rules, like that group of people must have a morally sound claim to the territory they’re going to administer, they must not use that authority to harm others without justification, so on and so forth. The ‘rights’ of the authority are entirely dependent on the rights of the people organizing and using it. Simply stating “Israel has a right to exist” is begging the question in a technical sense. It’s refusing to engage with the qualifications necessary to morally justify authority and simply stating that that authority is legitimate without justification.
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Then the argument is usually “no, your country doesn’t exist, you just made it up”, same thing they use for Palestine. But you can bring up that Israel didn’t exist until people decided it did and made it up. Then they’ll talk about it being recognized. You can bring up numerous countries that are recognized by some, not others, and eventually the argument becomes “No, it only counts when I, the liberal currently speaking, decide that it counts as a country with a right to exist”.
It’s an eternal question really isn’t it. Hundreds of situations, each unique: Abkhazia, East Turkestan, Kurdistan, Cornwall, Biafra…
https://hexbear.net/comment/4255525
Ultimately it all comes down to what can be negotiated. It takes power to claim rights.
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Nothing its just pure idealism. Half of the countries in europe were invented by feudal lords and are just offshots of larger ethnic groups. Its even worse because european jews claim an unbroken line with ALL of the population of roman judea (not everyone was expelled or jewish in the first place) from 2000 years ago, thats just not the reality, they werent just having a temporary hotel stay in europe and then came back and decided to kick out the squaters.
Yes, and we should
yes and you should do this
edit: but not stop at half you fucking coward
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It’s weird remains of divine right ideology baked but not explained in the very core of liberalism. Scratched even minimally it is revealed to be just base and original function of emerging state, that is usage of military power.