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spujb@lemmy.cafe to 196@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish · 11 months ago

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  • rosa666parks@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    11 months ago

    Is 1971 the timeline split?

    https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/

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      Yes this is part of it.

      What happened is Nixon fucked up fiat and fucked us all:

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_shock

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bretton_Woods_system

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        Stop perpetuating the gold standard myth. There’s as much point having a gold standard as there is any other stable finite chemical.

        The problem was neoliberalism/conservatism, which systematically removed all the labor and wealth redistribution policies of the post WW2 era, at the same time as boomers AND women were entering the workforce — higher supply of workers = lower demand and wages — the EU and Japan were rebuilt and competitive, offshoring and automation was gearing up (wage suppression + higher profits for capitalism), the deregulation of financial markets and regulatory/financial capture of government that enabled extreme financial predation, etc, etc.

        The gold standard change would be irrelevant if we didn’t live in oligarchies masquerading as democracies — where your level of wealth is directly proportional to your level of freedom, speech, and political representation.

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          I agree, yes, the gold standard sucks. My intention was not really to perpetuate that in any way.

          Everything you said is just chefs kiss.

          “(wage suppression + higher profits for capitalism)” = they stole prosperity from us.

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      While topically interesting, a lot of those graphs are either saying the same thing or are misinterpreting an exponential.

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        Yup this is left wing pseudo science instead of right wing pseudo science. These are just some graphs that don’t prove anything without a scientific paper to back it up.

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          Well what you’re calling left wing psudoscience is an article by Economic Policy Institute: https://www.epi.org/publication/charting-wage-stagnation/

          They explain their methodology and data sources in meticilous detail, even more so in their report on how they do; https://www.epi.org/publication/understanding-the-historic-divergence-between-productivity-and-a-typical-workers-pay-why-it-matters-and-why-its-real/

          If that’s not enough here’s some more stuff:

          https://academic.oup.com/qje/article/135/2/645/572126

          https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2008/wp08185.pdf

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            I never said it was incorrect but I’m just trying to say that some graphs with some arrows don’t prove anything. Thanks for sharing actual factual information.

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              Agreed. Much love ❤️

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          “pseudo science”

          It’s a website with “wtf” in its name, chill. It just shows the degradation of purchase power firstly as a consequence of the 70s oil crisis, and then as a consequence of increased neoliberalism.

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