• tigeruppercut@lemmy.zipOP
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      2 days ago

      I think we can still see it as positive: an oppressive religion is allowing a minor concession on tradition. That doesn’t happen every day.

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        Yes it does. This is how all* religion works it starts out more conservative then slowly it becomes more and more relaxed. Look at Jehova’s Witnesses if you want to see something that most people would call a cult if only given their acrions slowly morphing into something approaching a regular religion in real time.

        • OFC not literally all religions and there are phases to it much like politics.

        Edit: this comes across as more harsh then intended and I’m not sure how to reword it so I’m just going to leave this here. Sorry if it came across as harsh not my intention at all and text is hard to do tone in.

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          The two major improvements with JW’s right now are that the New Zealand court battle means that they need to give up some aspects of “disfellowshipping” - basically, doing something against the religions rules could result in you losing all of your friends, family and social connection. The kind of situation where maybe you could talk to your family again if yo were actively dying. Now the rules allow sending along an invite them to church (“Kingdom Hall”) meetings and maybe a short “hello” occasionally.

          The other change is that they just got rid of the informal “ban” on college education that they’ve had for ages. Dads letting their kids get college educations could be punished at church, and there’s a ton of JW propaganda that discourages more than graduating high school. They’re recognizing that isn’t economically viable, and also they need educated professionals to run their ministry.

          I don’t know if that’s they are getting more “relaxed” though. It’s more a savvy game to hold on to power and avoid consequences.

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            I keep on JW news far far more than people that were never in should. They are absolutely getting more relaxed. The less strict time reporting and the allowance of things that they previously had a total ban on even outside of a court case is huge evidence to this, and have also outright stated that just because something has pegan orgins doesn’t mean it is still influenced by that today which is why they now outright allow people to toast.

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          Amish were always very good builders.

          Then their church said they could have power tools and then they became unstoppable.

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        This is a puff piece on Mormonism. Mormonism is a cult, not a religion, regardless of what Mormons (or tax officials that have been lobbied by Mormons to declare Mormonism a religion) say.

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          Every religion is a cult. You just seem to think some are somehow more legitimate than others. Every single religion is a device for control of a population. All of them, without exception.