Allowing this to stay up but not linking to it seems wrong. I don’t know anything about this site other than the headline but if you disagree that strongly, which seems to be the right reaction, you should ban the headlines too.

@ValueSubtracted Thanks for the reminder. Yeah, I would never link because eww, but a screenshot for general pointing-and-laughing was just too tempting.

Nice

Republicans think women are animals. otherwise why would they want to strip away their human rights like access to abortion clinics and revoke their rights to vote? (no need to answer we all know why)

if they don’t hate women, Republicans have a really fucked up view of the equality that Trek embodies from start to finish.

I do, they just think it’s an unrealistic world, not a bad one. Something that could never happen here.

Part of the reason the show works is that we never really see Federation life outside of Starfleet. Mostly this is for practical budget reasons; what does a post-scarcity egalitarian society actually look like? That’s difficult to depict in a show designed to recycle the same set every episode and only very occasionally go outside to film.

So what little we see of the civilian federation looks… a lot like the US. There’s a president. Member states planets. Constant references to US history. A military that operates how Americans like to think their military works, rather than what it actually historically has done.

Newer shows take this even further. Section 31, as it was first introduced, was supposed to be a highly illegal, unsanctioned conspiracy acting in the shadow of the proper Federation. Now they’re presented as the ultra official, coolest badasses who are the only reason any of the egalitarian principals are able to survive.

Tell me you know nothing about Star Trek without telling me.

ST broke so many cultural barriers, nothing else in its time period even comes close. Other than that they wore uniforms almost nothing is militaristic. It was a science vessel not a warship. Money and capitalism were virtually non-existent and when they did show up, they were ridiculed. I could go on, but you should learn for yourself.

I agree with all you said, I just can’t believe it is possible for conservative viewers of the show to be blindered to the numerous, numerous ways where the show morals, both implied and very much stated, are antithetical to the entire value structure of the modern right-wing of the USA.

But then again, when I think of the Trek fans I know in real life, it is surprising how many of them are Republicans. Not a majority, but enough. So they might just be overlooking the things they don’t agree with.

Nah, it’s just your typical conservative with zero media literacy not understanding Star Trek and thinking no one else does either.

most old americans may be republican but not most old trekkies are not.

Education has been bad for a long time in this country it seems

They entertained TVs first interracial kiss

This is not true, in several ways.

Firstly, it needs the modifier “American” in there. The UK’s first interracial kiss on TV, for example, was in 1962.

Secondly, if we’re defining “interracial” as specifically between someone Black and someone white, then Nancy Sinatra & Sammy Davis Jr. preceded Star Trek by a year.

Thirdly, perceptions of race change. The studio which made I Love Lucy was extremely hesitant to allow Ball & Arnaz to portray themselves as a married couple, precisely because the fact that Arnaz was Cuban meant that the marriage was “interracial”. The kiss they shared in the first episode - in 1951 - would have been seen at the time as an interracial kiss.

Fourthly, even without a changing definition of race there had been previous interracial kisses on the lips on US television - William Shatner himself had previously twice shared a romantic on-screen kiss with someone of Asian descent, once actually in Star Trek.

None of this is to diminish the importance, impact, or progressiveness of the Uhura/Kirk kiss, but it is often overstated. It doesn’t need to be the first ever interracial kiss on TV to be significant. If it really does have to be the first ever something, then it’s the first ever kiss on the lips on US television between a Black person and a white person.

Yeah it’s a profoundly stupid take.

There’s the famous Whoopi Goldberg quote about how as a little kid she saw it with a black woman not beimg a maid and running around the house screaming about it in celebration

There’s the famous story about Nichelle Nichols wanting to quit to do plays until MLK jr told her that she needed to stay for black people everywhere to be represented as an equal member of the crew, and it was the only show he’d let his kids stay up late to watch.

From its inception it’s been “woke” by daring to put both a black woman and an asian man in roles where they were to be treated as equals and valued members of the group.

I’d like to add more examples, but it’s been so long since I’ve watched any star trek.

EDIT: I just remembered the not at all subtile jab at racism with the two guys that had half black half white faces.

Conservatives do not understand subtext, satire, or allegory. They don’t assign what they like or don’t based on any meaningful understanding of the message it conveys. They get told what to like and believe by authority and follow it, constantly dismissing or dissonancing any message from what they consume that doesn’t align with their instilled beliefs.

@Zephorah And all of this is pretty obvious to anyone with their brain turned on. But even that seems a bridge too far for some.

Gay humans exist today, they existed throughout history, and they will continue to exist for as long as humans do.

Do you consider Uhura being a bridge officer to be “pushing a narrative”? Because that was a political statement in much the same way that gay characters in Star Trek are (arguably more so).

It sucks to be a person whose very existence is political in this world that we live in now. Sci-Fi that includes those people is a way of saying "hey, wouldn’t it be nice if people could live their lives without their existence being the battleground for political ideology.

If you want to push the straight agenda, you have Hallmark movies.

@don Toxic masculinity is a helluva drug.