This reminded me of the glorious days of Dark Horse Alien series. Back in the day they did a series called Music of the Spears in which some shady tech bro captured one of the eggs (with NINJAS no less) and tried to keep a xenomorph as his musical buddy to write SYMPHONY OF HATE. It didn’t go well and we got the glorious sequence of xenomorph crashing a rock concert among other things.
I do not want to downplay how serious an attack from other dog breeds can be, but pit bulls are a breed that was bred for fighting. By that I mean physically the dog was “engineered” for the task. Even if dog attacks occurred across all breeds at the exact same rate, the pit bull will still be more dangerous on average.
This is also ignoring the cultural aspect of it all. Pit bulls have had a long history of attracting some of the worst owners whether they deliberately raise the dog for fighting or are simply negligent, the outcome is increased danger and not just for yourself or your family.
You want to put yourself and your family in danger? Great. Have at it. But expecting me to be put at an increased risk of danger? No. Fuck off.
The cultural aspect is 90% of it. If you look at the statistics over longer periods of time (eg several decades), you can tell when a specific dog breed becomes the “fashion choice” for irresponsible owners. Those dog breeds suddenly become “more dangerous” than other breeds.
Great Danes, Labradors, many breeds were considered the most dangerous in the past before Pitbulls were. In some countries you also get different “most dangerous” dog breeds than other countries.
And there’s quite a bit of research suggesting that although some bites are obviously more physically dangerous than others (a Chihuahua doesn’t cause injuries as severe as a Pitbull could cause), the dog’s aggressiveness or personality is actually not that genetically predetermined. Sure, there’s a bit that is, but it’s nowhere near enough to explain the dog bite statistics with purely the dog breed as the cause.
Pitbulls were “bred to fight” animals, not humans…
Lots of other breeds were bred specifically to attack humans…
Despite all the other issues with your logic, why wouldnt you focus on guard dogs that are explicitly bred and trained to attack and cause serious harm to humans?
Pitbulls were “bred to fight” animals, not humans…
Muscle is muscle. Physics of the dog doesn’t change due to the intent of the breeder. Pugs weren’t explicitly bred to be a physical trainwreck and yet they are and denying that because the breeder was not actively selecting for those traits would be an insane argument. The physics of attacking an “animal” is not very different than the physics of attacking a human (who is actually a very weak and fragile animal)
Despite all the other issues with your logic
Pointless loaded sentence that offers nothing to the conversation
why wouldnt you focus on guard dogs that are explicitly bred and trained to attack
A) That wasn’t the topic at hand
B) I never stated that pit bulls are the only problematic breeds. It was the very first sentence in my comment. You couldn’t even read that far?
C) There aren’t nearly as many noisy defenders of those breeds. Squeaky wheel gets the grease. It’s a topic of discussion because defenders make it a topic of discussion.
Inre pugs, at no point did design enter into the equation
I kinda feel like the xenomorphs could be not domesticated but maybe appeased for lack of a better word. They don’t like being held captive, and they are vindictive as shown by Resurrection. But it also showed them to be intelligent. If you gave them things to eat/implant with eggs enough to satiate them, perhaps they would think of you as a pet and leave you alone.
Do you believe in evolution by natural selection? Of course I do! Do you believe in evolution by unnatural selection? No! Traits that relate to violence vary strictly as a result of upbringing!
Is this a dig at pitbulls?
One the oldest around.
Yes, it is and people are assholes.
Yes, pit bull bites are more dangerous. No, that doesn’t mean they should all be euthanized. They need proper training and that’s it.
This is it, full stop. Dogs are individuals and should be treated as such.
I helped raise and home two litters of Staffordshire pups, we kept a rigorous list of the owners that we interviewed and checked the homes once a year to monitor the dogs progression. We made the owners sign a contract stating that if the living standards weren’t up to snuff, we could reclaim the dogs. I worked with a fellow who raised Staffies for 30 years. In two litters, we had around a dozen well trained, friendly huggable porkchops. Two litters that had no recorded bites past a few months old (puppys nibble but can be trained), and showed no aggression with other animals. All those pups lived to old age, and passed in happy homes. I’ve also met too many pitbulls that were beyond any help i had to offer. Damaged dogs damaged by poor parenting.
I know my story is anecdotal, and i don’t expect to change minds here, but i cant stand the outrage against such lovable dorks when something like the chihuahua exists.
Dogs are animals, and no amount of training can make it certain they will not attack, because, as you say, they are individuals. Therefore a well-trained Pitbull remains more dangerous than a well-trained [insert literally any other dog breed here].
I absolutely love dogs, including Pitbulls. I despair at what humans have done with selective breeding, by giving Pugs a lifetime of health problems, Pitbulls a greater chance of being euthanised, greyhounds a brain the size of a pea etc., etc. The right thing to do is to vote with our feet and stop the demand for breeds that shouldn’t exist. The real villains here are the people creating pure bred pits for profit.And the people who pay those breeders for these types of dogs are part of the problem.
Dogs aren’t individuals. They’re animals. You don’t need a pitbull. There are plenty of other beautiful breeds like Retrievers/Laboradors or Border collies, etc.
With pitbulls you have to train them specifically not to fight to lower the chances. They shouldn’t be available to own to the general public.
Humans are also animals. Part of the animalia kingdom, like everything else of flesh and bone.
Animals may not be sapient (being capable of human level generalist brain processing), but they’re absolutely individuals with individual personalities.
You’d know this of you’ve lived with a few cats, or dogs, or worked on an animal farm for any length of time.
Yes, and humans also get judged based on their own actions.
You aren’t going to lock up the parents of a serial killer because they didn’t train them well enough.
Dogs are individuals as well. Some still show their wild instinct even when trained well enough. Or are you saying dogs can’t have a personality?
Well, that depends on whether or not the parents were abusive, now doesn’t it?
Not sure what country you’re from, but abusive parents tend to get locked up.
You’re missing the blindingly obvious solution that should be taken: spay and neuter them so that no new ones are bred.
Or - and hear me out - we could castrate and render infertile every person who suggests the elimination of an entire breed so that they can’t spread their idiocy to their children.
The irony of the down votes you’re getting. XD
Hol’ up, there’s some sort of incongruity here that I can’t quite put my finger on…
Nah, we should give police orders to shoot every pitbull on sight.
You should be embarrassed to support eugenics.
r/whooooosh
Could you explain why you think they’re not serious?
I suspect they’re half-serious but both ironic and hyperbolic. Just seems the most likely.
Or, ya know, people could be responsible pet owners.
No amount of responsibility can overcome what 200 years of artificial selection at a rate of every 2 years.
Responsibility includes accounting for possible aggressive behavior :/ If you’re responsible for a chainsaw, you know to keep it oiled. You know to use it only in the correct environment, and you don’t have it anywhere near children.
So yes, you can responsibly own a pitbull. Responsibility is being responsible for a subject; its well being, its actions, and the consequences of its existence.
And yes, responsibility can overcome what 200 years of artificial selection at a rate of every 2 years has done. That is literally what responsibility is charged with.
You’re trying to twist and turn here. Accounting for? You can’t overcome it. I say again, you can’t overcome 200 years of artificial selection.
My aunt has lived with two pitbulls for almost a decade now. Raised two small children in the same home. Nothing but sweethearts. Dogs are individuals, just like people. Just like having another person around your baby, you need to be responsible with any dog breed.
Yes, you can.
If it was about weeding out the fight drive of the dogs, a lot of things could be done, without the need to drive the breed to extinction. Inside the pit bull gene pool there are two lines: the fighting dogs and the bait dogs. The last ones are those that display the lowest drive for fighting and aggression. There is nothing wrong with these animals except their lack of will to fight other dogs and this trait makes these animals less desirable to people breeding these dogs that know they can make good money by keeping the fight drive of the breed. These are the people that often show off dogs hanging from ropes off the ground, growling and twisting on it, to showcase the bite force of the animals.
Increase the frequency of theses individuals in breeding pools, weed out the naturally more feisty, and you can modify the race or any race very fast. Pugs and Yorkshire Terriers area two examples that come to mind of breeds that suffered radical changes on very short time spans because of aesthetic trends. No obstacle on doing the same thing to improve a breed for good reasons instead of shallow ones.
There are a good number of breeds out in the world much more dangerous than the Pit Bull. The Tosa Inu, which was specifically bred to be a fighting dog, the Presa Canario, also bred for fighting, the Rodesian Ridgeback, and many others. In the 90’s, Dobermans had the dirtiest reputation for being very dangerous. Nowadays, not so much.
So, your statement is misinformed.
note to mods: don’t like what I wrote, just give me a permanent ban and be done with.
If we could rely on every member of any sizable group of people to all reach even the lowest bar of decency, the world would be a very different place. Any solution that relies on the idea of “if everyone just does x” is not a real solution, as much as I’d like it to be.
They need proper training and that’s it.
Tuesday that 30-year-old (…) was found dead Monday night at a home near Newington from an apparent dog attack. (…) He says an autopsy revealed Wilcox died as a result of injuries received from the attack.
Investigators say Wilcox was familiar with the pets at that residence and had handled them safely on numerous occasions in the past. None of the dogs in the home had any known history of viciousness or aggression
Pitbulls are a breed designed to kill.
You can have a Border Collie and it will be shepherding sheep on a screen, or dust motes on the floor, because it’s in their DNA.
Killing and aggression are in the DNA of Pitbulls.
Stop being weird.
Unfortunately there is a feedback loop somewhere.
Pitbulls have a reputation for being dangerous tough guy dogs, so “tough guys” get pitbulls and proceed to not treat them well, this give pitbulls the reputation of being dangerous tough guy dogs.
I live in Copenhagen, however, and I’ve seen some very nicely treated pitbulls, even one that was part of a family. They can be so gentle.
So can guns.
Guns are weapons. Not lifeforms.
Guns don’t get old and have a bad day killing their owner. Pitbulls do unfortunately. I’ve seen good ones and bad ones but when they are hurting or just grumpy old farts they can go off. The difference between a shitzu and and pitbull doing that is the pitbull is powerful and the shitzu is annoying.
Counterpoint, hipoints
“heres anecdotal evidence to support my worldview”
Searching “pitbull kills baby” gets way too mant results for my liking
so does “golden retriever kills baby” or “insert any dog breed kills baby”
Hej fra København og jeg tror du har ret
That’s exactly how everyone talks about their pitbull until it rips their child to pieces.
Now hypothetically, if every breed except Chihuahuas was banned, and those tough guys were forced to buy those and not train them.
Do you think there would be more, less or equal amount of dog mauling?
Less. Chihuahuas can be aggressive, bitey little shits without proper training. Most people I’ve seen with Chihuahuas don’t train them. It’s just a small little dog, what harm can it do?
It doesn’t matter about the mauling. What is more likely to kill you? A pitbull or a Chihuahua. If a Chihuahua tried to maul an average healthy adult, the healthy adult could probably fight it off quite quickly with minimal small bite injuries. You can’t say the same about a pitbull.
Great, so you agree breed is a variable that shouldn’t be underestimated.
They should all be euthanised. There’s no good reason to own a pitbull. They were literally bred for fighting and it’s in their instincts.
Should I go down the list of all the dogs that were specifically bred for being hunting dogs, war dogs, or guard dogs?
That list is absolutely going to be massive and I’m pretty sure it’ll feature a number of dogs you’d otherwise consider lovable family dogs.
We’re probably going to be left with a handful of breeds meant for puffed up rich floozies that suffer from amalgamated sinus cavities.
Yes
Sad.
If you know what breed it’s talking about, that suggests there’s probably some truth to it
That’s not a valid argument, since it can be used elsewhere. Using that argument would confirm any racist or sexist stereotype as well, since you know what they mean. Just because someone has heard let’s see, that Jewish people are lizard aliens who drink blood and adrenochrome from babies doesn’t mean there’s some truth to it.
I’m not using the above as an argument against pit bulls having aggressive natures; I mostly stay out of that argument (though the one pit I remember was a lovely pup). I am saying that as an argument backing up the aggressive claim, it’s a bad one to use.
Why are you comparing Jewish people to dogs??? That’s a bit antisemetic
Stereotypes about groups of humans are politically motivated. Not true of dog breeds.
You might want to adjust your thoughts on the second. Studies have shown that pit bulls are associated with black people, and that people who have unfavorable views of black people, especially as being violent, also have a correlation to negative views of pit bulls. You can find one such study here: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11213322/
Question: “If you had to guess, do you think Black people or white people are more likely to own the following dogs?” Source: Pooled Lucid Surveys, June-July 2020, August 2021.
Not everyone dislikes based on racial association, but to claim there is none only illustrates that your argument is both invalid and uninformed.
Studies have shown that pit bulls are associated with black people, and that people who have unfavorable views of black people, especially as being violent, also have a correlation to negative views of pit bulls
Not OP, but - this has nothing to do with racism, WTF are you talking about?
“Studies have shown”… My god, studies have shown that a breed created for violence and bloodthirst has a higher probability of being violent and bloodthirsty than those that weren’t, that’s literally all the context there was!
You kneejerked answered without even reading the linked study, didn’t you?
Of course I didn’t read the study, because it’s off topic.
Pitbull kills white dog trainer.
Pitbull of a black dog trainer kills another dog
Race of the human has nothing to do with the fact that the fucking dogs were designed to maim and kill, dude.
That may be true in the US. Here in the UK there is no such correlation, and yet pitbulls here still cause more injuries and deaths than all other breeds combined. Odd, that.
It’s because of your bias towards drug dealers /s
My argument wasn’t that it cancels out any studies showing pitbulls being aggressive; as I stated before, I wasn’t interested in participating in that argument. My argument was that stereotypes aren’t a valid argument that something is true. They then stated that dogs aren’t political, u like other stereotypes to which I demonstrated that yes, dogs breeds can be associated with political biases. I
Do you think that stereotyping applies here, then? You seem minded to agree that pitbulls are more dangerous in fact than other breeds, given you won’t participate one way or the other. So if pitbulls are in fact more dangerous then if would be reasonable, rather than irrational stereotyping, to be more wary of them, and to label them as more dangerous.
“If you had to guess” sounds like you are relying on hearsay there bud
Question is to what extent it is the breed versus the owners drawn to or scared away from the breed. These things can be self fulfilling.
This is basically the plot to Alien Earth.
Say no more. By that I mean no spoilers.
Chill, you’ve seen it already. That is the plot to every installment in the Alien franchise.
Did you finish the season?
Spoilers below
alien earth spoiler
It felt more like a synthetic vs human drama, with aliens as side characters, than any other film in the franchise. Wendy being able to communicate with the aliens was very different also.
Ugh, I don’t like that, and I’m all about synth stories.
If the synthetics don’t either start working their way up to purging the meat bags using their own two grasping claws or creating a synth utopia away from their nonsense what’s the point?
If you haven’t watched the season I recommend it, they play with some more interesting aspects of human-synthetic dynamics and questions about what it means to be either.
It’s a thoroughly enjoyable show, but not amazing by any means.
That seems to be the way things are going. Even the neutral character picked a side.
inseparable
I think the misspelling fits the character
I agree. They shudda spelled it insep’rable
Spelt*
Barley**
Hopscotch***
Pumpernickel****
But my smooth carapace hippo would NEVER harm anyone! Just look at it’s happy little smiles!
My sweet dumb, absolute cabbage of a hippo would harm someone unfortunately, he’s an idiot and that’s how he meets people, aggressively cause he grew up a stray. So he doesn’t meet new people, he has a happy home with love and treats, and I’m way fuckin stronger and meaner if I need to be should it come to an actual attack on me.
I’m not gonna let dogs suffer in shelters if I have space in my home and the ability to keep all people safe. He didn’t choose to be born how he is, have the life he did, and I’m not gonna fault him for a rough start to life. I’m gonna give him a calm and happy one. We did this to dogs, to just shoo the problem away and let them all die is horrendous. Sure we can stop breeding that specific breed, and I’m all for it, but that isn’t happening, and the dogs still exist, so I’ll keep giving them the love they deserve. I’ll be the bandaid til society gets it shit together and does something about it.
Did it force you to put that apostrophe into that possessive pronoun that’s already possessive and therefore doesn’t need an apostrophe just like his, hers, theirs, and ours?
Probably. I used mobile and rely on autocorrect for my fat fat thumbs. It just does what it wants.
Wrong alt account
My car does what it wants until I use the steering wheel or pedals. That’s how machines work.
Yes, there are shitty pit bull owners out there.
No, not all pit bulls are aggressive, only non-neutered, poorly trained, or abused ones.
Yes, it’s weird how the comic uses an overweight woman to characterize bad dog owners but not the victims.
Yes, it’s weird how the comic uses an overweight woman to characterize bad dog owners
It also characterises “regular-weight men” as bad dog owners (second panel).
but not the victims
Yeah, let’s stop with the “skinny-girl victim” propaganda! Plus size women can be victims too!
I think the second panel is meant to be the same woman given that their top is the same, the hair is the same length, albeit a darker shade, and in the third panel she is pointing towards the second panel.
I won’t argue about the second panel, even though it wouldn’t make sense story-wise for it to be the same character there, but in the third panel she’s very definitely pointing towards the fourth panel, not the second.
HEEL!
