We can support the current population, it’s just not profitable or popular to do so.
If your solution ignores the nature of human psychology it’s not a solution, it’s a quixotic quest.
Our current standard of living is mostly predicated on offshoring the suffering and waste to the global South, but even that could be comfortably leveled off if we weren’t living under Capitalism.
Yes, and as their standard of living rises to meet ours, the whole human output becomes increasingly unsustainable.
We don’t need large AI farms, we need empathy. The techbros will not save us.
There is a more plausible path for neural networks to be involved in climate change solutions then their is for you to replace capitalism.
my brother in christ what are you saying? you know that rich people are the biggest polluters?
you know how ai datacenters literally destroy our planet? and for what? these supposed automation tasks will not serve us. we will have mass poverty and more wealth concentrated into the hands of a habdful of tech bros. it’s the industrial revolution all over again.
the global south is suffering from our actions. and how do you define living standards? do you think a capital slave that works in deadly conditions will be happy becase now they have an iphone and access to electricity? No. a slave is still a slave.
my brother in christ what are you saying? you know that rich people are the biggest polluters?
Yes, and what do you think is happening as other countries rise out of poverty? We have way too many humans on this planet to support everyone having a middle class lifestyle.
you know how ai datacenters literally destroy our planet?
Yeah, right now. But if you tried to render 4k videos in 1990 it would also take a full data center and enormous amount of power, but computer chips can do this thing where they get smaller and orders of magnitude more efficient over time, which is how every single phone can do it on 5W of usb power today.
The rain of down votes on ur comments shows me that Lemmy has become every bit as much if not worse an echo chamber than reddit. Facts of the matter are humans are overcrowding the plant and gobbling up all the resources at an unsustainable rate. Human population DOES need to drop a bit of we are to use this planet long term, lest we spell our own doom in a few hundred years by picking this once beautiful planet to the bone.
Only on lemmy would someone think 22 total votes of which only 3/4 are downvotes would be considered a “rain of downvotes” imagine if you were in a room with 22 people and 4 agree with you but 18 didn’t. That wouldn’t be considered a flood of downvotes. That’d just be a minority position.
You can separate the vote totals in the settings i believe. Piefed does it automatically. You can also use lemvotes.org to see how each person voted for the comment or post.
I am using the voyager app and have not found a place to separate them but I appreciate the response! I have not looked much into other Lemmy browsing apps and hardly ever use it on the computer…
I’m sure that if AI could get to the state where it could even approach maybe doing those things, it will mesh very well with capitalism and we’d all benefit collectively. One of the core tenants of capitalism.
Surplus value cannot be extracted from technology? I guess if you mean directly.
Every technological advancement has been used to to create more value that workers produce that gets stolen by the owner class, so through the transitive property, 100% percent of the value created by technology is stolen from the people actually using the technology to produce the value.
We’ve had insane technology breakthroughs that have made the value we produce skyrocket, and we’re in the negative, by a shit ton.
Also those data centers would be classified under “means of production” and in an actual socialistic or communistic economy would be under the control of the people and would then produce value for us.
We’re just going to pretend that the only reason companies are funding AI research isn’t because they want to replace the work force because it could be cheaper?
They should. That’s how automation works. We should be building a society that doesn’t require as much work, not insisting on doing work that machines could do when we don’t want to.
If your solution ignores the nature of human psychology it’s not a solution, it’s a quixotic quest.
Yes, and as their standard of living rises to meet ours, the whole human output becomes increasingly unsustainable.
There is a more plausible path for neural networks to be involved in climate change solutions then their is for you to replace capitalism.
my brother in christ what are you saying? you know that rich people are the biggest polluters?
you know how ai datacenters literally destroy our planet? and for what? these supposed automation tasks will not serve us. we will have mass poverty and more wealth concentrated into the hands of a habdful of tech bros. it’s the industrial revolution all over again.
the global south is suffering from our actions. and how do you define living standards? do you think a capital slave that works in deadly conditions will be happy becase now they have an iphone and access to electricity? No. a slave is still a slave.
Yes, and what do you think is happening as other countries rise out of poverty? We have way too many humans on this planet to support everyone having a middle class lifestyle.
Yeah, right now. But if you tried to render 4k videos in 1990 it would also take a full data center and enormous amount of power, but computer chips can do this thing where they get smaller and orders of magnitude more efficient over time, which is how every single phone can do it on 5W of usb power today.
The rain of down votes on ur comments shows me that Lemmy has become every bit as much if not worse an echo chamber than reddit. Facts of the matter are humans are overcrowding the plant and gobbling up all the resources at an unsustainable rate. Human population DOES need to drop a bit of we are to use this planet long term, lest we spell our own doom in a few hundred years by picking this once beautiful planet to the bone.
Only on lemmy would someone think 22 total votes of which only 3/4 are downvotes would be considered a “rain of downvotes” imagine if you were in a room with 22 people and 4 agree with you but 18 didn’t. That wouldn’t be considered a flood of downvotes. That’d just be a minority position.
Excuse my ignorance but how does one analyze how many up or down votes a comment has on Lemmy?
You can separate the vote totals in the settings i believe. Piefed does it automatically. You can also use lemvotes.org to see how each person voted for the comment or post.
I am using the voyager app and have not found a place to separate them but I appreciate the response! I have not looked much into other Lemmy browsing apps and hardly ever use it on the computer…
Settings, appearance, other, display votes. Choose separate as the option and that should do it.
Awesome I’ve changed it! Thanks a ton feel like it offers more perspective!
Lmao no
I’m sure that if AI could get to the state where it could even approach maybe doing those things, it will mesh very well with capitalism and we’d all benefit collectively. One of the core tenants of capitalism.
I hope someone drops you on your head again
capitalism works by extracting surplus value from workers so the owner class can have it.
surplus value can’t be extracted from technology, it can only make workers more efficient cost for cost.
we don’t own the datacenters, therefore it won’t ever be making value to us.
Surplus value cannot be extracted from technology? I guess if you mean directly.
Every technological advancement has been used to to create more value that workers produce that gets stolen by the owner class, so through the transitive property, 100% percent of the value created by technology is stolen from the people actually using the technology to produce the value.
We’ve had insane technology breakthroughs that have made the value we produce skyrocket, and we’re in the negative, by a shit ton.
Also those data centers would be classified under “means of production” and in an actual socialistic or communistic economy would be under the control of the people and would then produce value for us.
i literally said this.
Edited that comment while you were reading.
Yeah I know that, but you also said this:
Nuance is important.
Your issue is clearly with capitalism, and yet you’re brain deadly bitching about AI instead.
We’re just going to pretend that the only reason companies are funding AI research isn’t because they want to replace the work force because it could be cheaper?
They should. That’s how automation works. We should be building a society that doesn’t require as much work, not insisting on doing work that machines could do when we don’t want to.
That shit is not going to mesh well with our current system at all. Hence talking about both.