• Chaotic Entropy@feddit.uk
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    21 hours ago

    Hillary explicitly told the left that she didn’t need their votes… I guess, in hindsight, she was wrong.

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      19 hours ago

      Irrelevant to what I said. Reread it.

      As leftists, we need to act in the best interests of the working class. If that means electing an arrogant cunt over a demented fascist, that means electing an arrogant cunt over a demented fascist.

      The left refusing to vote for Hillary in 2016 didn’t move the party left. We didn’t get Bernie, we got Biden.

      Why? Because a fascist presidency didn’t make people think “hey, we need a real progressive for real change”, it made people scared and panic vote for who they perceived was the “safest” vote, which was Biden.

      History will repeat itself (assuming we even have a fair enough election in 2028, let alone 2026).

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        americans are stupid, a side-effect of decades of neglecting their primary and secondary education systems, they will only learn through direct personal pain…and now that pain is coming.

        the best move to support/protect those effected, and to make sure they know whose helping them and whose out to get them

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        18 hours ago

        you’re not a leftist if you’re actively choosing to advocate and vote for the Liberal presidential candidate. -That makes you a liberal, again, not a leftist.

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          17 hours ago

          Leftists actually cared enough about the working class and all marginalized persons that they actually bothered to research what the best viable option was for those groups, and accurately determined it was Kamala.

          Fake leftist virtue signalling pansies who’s support for such groups is entirely hollow and self serving on an almost narcissistic level instead boycotted voting for Kamala and quire literally bent over and gaped wide to allow fascists to win the election.

          The only fake leftists here are you.

          It is your legacy that you spoke for no one when it mattered most. Not ours.

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            8 hours ago

            Leftists actually cared enough about the working class and all marginalized persons that they actually bothered to research what the best viable option was for those groups, and accurately determined it was Kamala.

            I did. I voted for her. She was the second worst of two pro-genocide anti-worker candidates. She wasn’t a “best” anything.

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              7 hours ago

              “Best viable option” never translates to good.

              You can hate Kamala. I fucking hate Kamala. Hated her before 2024. But I cared and care about the people who are now suffering under Trump. Their lives weren’t worth sticking it to the Dems.

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                7 hours ago

                “Best viable option” never translates to good.

                Then don’t call her a synonym for good.

                You can hate Kamala. I fucking hate Kamala.

                She didn’t support genocide hard enough for you.

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                  7 hours ago

                  That’s not how words work. “best option” mean the better of the available options. It doesn’t mean any of them have to be positive.

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                    The “best” option would be making democracy more fair if that is the system we collectively agree on.

                    The idea that our democracy is unfair even resonates with the right. It’s a common sentiment.

                    I hear people loudly say they only voted Kamala because they had to vote against Trump. That isn’t representative democracy.

                    We need to seriously look at our system - democracy shouldn’t mean being held hostage to vote for somebody you don’t want to vote for in order to prevent the other person from gaining power.

                    And really, approximately half of the country votes. This system is not working.