doesnt want to get censured by the conservative bossess of these networks.
Of course. This violence was the result of political violence perpetrated by Kirk and his fascist club of bloodthirsty nazis. This was neither the beginning of the cycle nor the end. When justice fails and people lose faith in the systems that are meant to provide it, they will take to dealing with matters themselves. So the cycle continues. It will end only when justice, fairness, liberty, and equity have been restored.
This is what the old guard, like him and Jon Stewart, don’t seem to understand. You can’t reason with fascists, and they’ll continue to use their own political violence as a tool to get what they want.
charlies entire career was made in political violence against minorities
All these public figures are shitting themselves now, that’s why they’re so willing to whitewash Kirk’s “life’s work” (trolling) even though they all hated it just as much as the rest of us while he was alive.
- Yeah man if you spend your career being a massive bigot and opposing gun control you may end up being shot to death
- It would really suck if this leads to bad things happening to people who aren’t Charlie Kirk
- Not mad at Colbert, he does kinda have to say something along these lines.
He does have to say something, and honestly this is a good thing to say, if there isn’t context that changes this take: This isn’t only saying that the shooting will bring more violence. It’s also saying Kirk brought this upon himself. He promoted political violence constantly. The fact it came to bite him in the ass isn’t unexpected. Him promoting political violence brings political violence. It didn’t start with the shooter. It started with Kirk.
Yeah he does. But sucking the fascists dick won’t stop them from coming for you no matter how good at it you are.
Bullet point number 2 really depends on who.
Man, I thought I never will say this. But Colbert haves a good point.
But he wasn’t a politician, he was just an asshole…
His speech was political.
I despise what he said, he absolutely was an asshole. But I don’t like that someone was killed because of political speech. Saying abhorrent shit isn’t a good enough reason to kill someone.
I especially don’t like that his murder has made him a martyr.
We can be intolerant of what he said, and we can be relieved that he won’t be saying any more of it. But we really shouldn’t celebrate the stifling of speech. Because most of the people with guns share more opinions with Charlie Kirk than with you or me. And if stifling speech with violence is okay, it isn’t going to end well.
Don’t get me wrong here. Fuck Charlie Kirk. Fuck the bullshit playbook he operated from. But cheering about someone being killed for what he said is not a good look.
Painting what people like Kirk do as “just speech” is naive at best and dangerously disingenuous at worst.
Kirk was a stochastic terrorist. Because of him, people are dead. Children are dead. Because of him millions suffer and fear for their lives the lives of their loved ones.
When there is no due process or justice for murderers and terrorists like Kirk and every other member of the Republican party, then eventually people driven by desperation, who believe that have nothing else to lose, will take matters into their own hands. This is exacerbated by the rhetoric of stochastic terrorists like Kirk who have spend decades normalizing the use vigilante violence against political opponents and out-groups.
I won’t fault you for having the opinion that people shouldn’t be randomly murdered, but we are far past the point where any peaceful way out was possible. The Republican party and its strategists and commanders — including Kirk — have been advocating violence, stoking and nurturing passionate, violent, fear and hate, and directing their acolytes towards any threat to their power. This is what happens when that is allowed to continue unchecked. And because no system will step in to correct this unprecedented and overwhelming evil in the US peacefully, because courts and justice have utterly failed to uphold freedom, justice, or law, because these violent, oppressive, totalitarian murderers have been allowed to run unchecked, violence is guaranteed.
You can lament the violence, but you can not be allowed to lament the aggressors and architects of this terrible reality for reaping precisely what they spent so much effort and money sowing. These horrors were visited on others first, and these wicked men and women will share in those spoils. Unfortunately, so will we all.
Here in Canada freedom of speech ends when it becomes hate speech.
This is MASSIVELY problematic in that I do think this will become a slippery slope in time, but currently it does protect from a lot of hateful shit that people would otherwise build a platform on.
It’s imperfect and I’ll eat my fucking shirt if it isn’t abused one day to oppress people, but it kind of works for now.
I don’t know if it applies here, but some Nazi propagandists were tried and put to death after WWII. I guess some people’s words are that bad.
Yes. A trial being a significant part of that.
VERY good point
Nazis should be killed for the politics as the core premise of Nazism is to make their speech actions.
Isn’t that the core premise of all speech?
Agreed 1000%. If you’re gonna murder someone, make it a politician. Someone who is actively responsible for our collective plight. Imagine a world where Trump was successfully assassinated in Pennsylvania.
All he talked about was power and who should wield it. He talked about how the powerful should handle minority groups. How power should handle sexuality.
People constantly CONSTANTLY, forget what the word “politics” is about and why it makes people uncomfortable. It’s about POWER and WHO SHOULD HAVE IT.
Yeah I think that’s what a lot of us cheering want.
We’ve had one dead Nazi yes, but what about the second?
problem is the Nazis have guns too. And the police. And the national guard.
So, what, you just let them do whatever they want?
Some folks may say it’s harder to miss with that many.
so basically civil war is your answer.
I don’t really see any other way for this to be resolved. clearly via democracy will not work
We are in a rough spot but i think it’s shortsighted and defeatist to think civil war is any kind of answer with the demographics roughly evenly split. Plus there’s no convenient north-south divide like there was the first time around, we are all mixed up in every state.
At the very least let’s see what happens when Trump croaks and younger people who know how technology works are in congress.
Some folks might also say “so 77 million vs 75”
So you’ll only fight if you ha e overwhelming odds? Might be waiting a while and it’s not like it’s something you can afford…
Have fun hitting that strawman?
I think you looked a bit silly but I suppose they go together often enough
What strawman? Sure, time will always exist, but to stop fascism from overtaking your country and becoming entrenched, not much of that time left. Have fun!
This was the latter one in case it wasn’t clear.
We’ll know more after the mid-terms. I’m not holding my breath.
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