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There will probably be an interim government headed by a ‘populist’ leader who is currently the mayor of Kathmandu Municipality. At least thats what people are demanding. ‘populist’ in a sense like someone running in platform of change and improvement, not related to current establishment and is an independent candidate. and has done a lot of good so is very popular in the capital city.
The government’s top brass has all been purged with no one left to take power. What should we focus on to prevent the same cycle of liberal governance -> move to right -> revolution once again?
There was no organization and leadership in the current protest, everything was spontaneous so felt like it would be an easy target for bad actors to take over the current momentum.
so any advice and recommendation of materials on moment after ‘revolution’ ? also the problem, limitation and enemies we face. Only the political leadership has been over-thrown but the ruling class still control the economic power. I guess only their investment in the political candidates are down the drain.
From an ML perspective, waiting until after the revolution is decidedly too late to construct socialism. We can hope they spontaneously decide to do good things like the Paris Commune tried to, but a dictatorship of the proletariat needs to be the organizational basis of the revolution to hold power after the revolution. The point of dual power is that a revolution isn’t supposed to be wiping the board clean and then rebuilding from scratch, but toppling the main impediment to the governing bodies that you’ve already built up.
That doesn’t mean it’s totally impossible to beat the liberals and reactionaries in mud-wrestling, but I would guess that having no record and saying you’ll do socialism is not going to move people who were ruled over by immensely non-socialist parties that called themselves socialist. I think probably the best you can realistically hope for and pursue is to just try to fight for the “democratic” part of liberal-democratic policy so some strongman doesn’t take over.
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I think “follow” would be an exaggeration, but I’ve read articles from like The Himalayan Times and I’ve read about the revolutions and the state of their nominally socialist ruling parties. Are you going to tell me that there’s actually substantial dual power established and this is a good opportunity for a dictatorship of the proletariat or did you just see a chance to be aggro and jump at it, honest q
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Are you confusing me with someone else? I never related “DSA action” to the Paris Commune that I can find on my profile, and I certainly don’t remember making any such comparison, nor do I have any idea what line someone would draw between the two. If I’m not the one who did it and yet you’re putting this shit on me then yeah, that kind of is taking “an excuse to be aggro,” or really just making up an excuse, and faux-asking a question that is obviously dripping with contempt and then appending “honest q” at the end does not actually make it “nice”. If you’re saying sincerely that you were “going out of your way to be nice” then you really need to relearn how to talk to people on a pretty basic level to understand that that is not how communication works.
But my answer was overwhelmingly not about the Commune, that was just me acknowledging a prominent example of people organizing a socialist government during and after a socialist revolution rather than before despite my view that it really needs to be done before. Of course, it cratered pretty quickly anyway (hence “tried”), but they were able to accomplish some things even in their brief tenure.
I can, on the bright side, confirm with some confidence that you weren’t banned for contradicting a Mamdani stans but for being an asshole, because I’m pretty abrasive and even I find your level of hostility jarring. Does your anger really seem proportional to you?
I never related “DSA action” to the Paris Commune that I can find on my profile, and I certainly don’t remember making any such comparison,
WDYM? Every time I see a comment from you, I think “Oh great, here comes purpleworm, going to talk about how DSA action is related to the Paris Commune again.”
I’m not entirely sure what this other person is getting at, seems like they just wanted to pick a fight, and like a lot of lost liberals do, assumed that all the “tankies” were a hive mind or something.
The communists were in a very weird political structure that gridlocked them, this might be good? The military was filled with the communist rebels too. It seems this is similar to many provisional republican governments after a revolution.
they have lost all the good-will. Even the current ruling party was United Marxist Leninist. i doubt people will entertain any new communist party, even if everything before wasn’t really a communist party. It might just be some left-leaning populist rule now, but better to avoid ‘communist’ label since most people are sick of it.
I know Maoist Centre is in opposition in the government. Do you think they’re in a position to take advantage of this? Are they any good? I know Prachanda has been involved in a lot of controversies, is he still synonymous with the Maoist Centre?
I can’t really answer your question. I think the main issue is party building, but how to do that really depends on local conditions. You need a party where leadership is accountable to its party members, and where the party is accountable to the masses but without
takingtailing the masses. But everyone knows this or something like this; how to make it happen is the challenge.From my view thousands of miles away, it seems like after the end of the ppw, Nepal had many many feudal elements remaining. Capitalism and bourgeois institutions were going to be developed. As in the case of many AES states (not necessarily saying Nepal is AES, just making a comparison), this meant the communists in government were stuck in the unenviable position of having to “complete” the bourgeois revolution and to lead capitalist development. It seems in Nepal’s case they did not rise to the challenge.
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I know Maoist Centre is in opposition in the government. Do you think they’re in a position to take advantage of this? Are they any good? I know Prachanda has been involved in a lot of controversies, is he still synonymous with the Maoist Centre?
Yeah Prachanda had been playing both NC and UML and managed to stay in power with his third largest party but it had big difference compared to first and second, that is until he started investigation upon the NC and UML parties elite plus other factors, after which he was sidelined and NC and UML formed a coalition government . He represent Maoist Centre but it is dangerous for him to appear right now. Even though he doesnt like it, he is a part of the establishment now and people do not like him anymore. really not his fault but he failed to really do anything. His party suffered the fewest damage, as only his house got burned down today i think. He also seems to be out the picture and with him the Maoist center.
What kinda organizational does the mayor of Kathmandu Municipality have around him?
I know Nepal isn’t a big country (tho the geography might make it “bigger” that it appears on paper), but I think he’ll have difficulty scaling up an administration to a national level just based on personal relationships.
If he’s just independent, then Id imagine he’ll have difficulty managing a whole country and he’ll have to lean heavily on the military (assuming it has any cache with the public) or suffer an ineffective government
The mayor of Kathmandu is popular all over Nepal due to him acting on his promises. The major before him had all been affiliated with one party or another with nothing ever being done. The majority of his supporters are in Kathmandu and surrounding areas but his action has lead other metropolitan improving urban conditions.
There is an adjacent political party along with the major consisting of independent candidates called National Independence Party but its president is neck deep in controversies and was in prison until yesterday. Its very suspicious and isn’t really trusted now.
Now him leading the interim government will be fine by people and perhaps will gain enough support in next election to form a proper base.
I’d love to know more about this, the media are reporting it was over a social media ban? Edit: i read the other posts, ty be safe
last i checked the oppostition were largely communists? But the government are a coalition of communists and social democrats?
the only flags I’ve seen in photos are Nepali national flags
Yeah the social media ban was due to them being unregistered in Nepal. I have no any idea what that means and don’t think anyone really does. The whole thing was a clusterfuck with smug politician giving smug answer for the reason behind the ban.
The most coherent answer I read is due to the lack of direct line of communication between the government and the media company, Nepal government wasn’t able to gather evidence or obtain relevant information in time for cyber crime investigation. The Information minister wanted the companies to be ‘registered’ here as in have a office in here which is pretty valid.
Now you have whole population depending on VPNs and the growing dissatisfaction led to Gen Z protest in sept-8 which turn very very bloody leading to today’s response.
The whole thing was just kids wanting access to internet and ‘corruption’ angle was slapped on top since its just supposed to be a peaceful march.
The current government is coalition between Marxist-leninist party (just in name really) and social democrats. The protest wasn’t affiliated with any org or a political party so People only carrying flag of Nepal.
This was not over social media. That was just the straw that broke the camels back. Their gov was corrupt and people were sick of their shit. People should do this most everywhere right now.
I mean, it’s more than just social media that was getting blocked/banned. They aren’t just posting selfies, this is where people find work, romantic partners, new friends, hobbies, etc. It was happening due to government incompetence and corruption, which has been a long-term issue.
So you’re right, but really the so-called social media ban is much more than that on its own even. I don’t think the person you’re replying to here is trying to say it was just over social media either. Also I think they live in Nepal by the way they’re talking about it.
Cool. Sorry I did not mean to come off that way. It is just that a lot of the media I see makes it seem like people just flipped out because they couldn’t post Insta pics.
iPad kids trowing temper tantrum bcs iPad was taken from them?
This comment keeps coming up and its really obnoxious. They didn’t burn down buildings because they couldn’t watch Youtube shorts. Look into the amount of embezzlement and corruption scandals the govt has been involved in.
Check the amount of businesses that dont have their own websites and use social media to do their daily work. The trekking companies and regular people that all rely on WhatsApp to communicate. It’s not like Nepal has built their own alternatives like China.
Look at the state of their public infrastructure where main roads within Kathmandu still aren’t even paved and go to shit every monsoon.
Where there are people living in houses with concrete floors and tin roofs 5 minutes away from people in their 4 story houses.
Look at the children of the current politicians who are flaunting their wealth on social media. Wealth gained from stolen funds.
It doesn’t matter that the govt was ML in name if they weren’t doing their jobs.
No they aren’t western boomers. Nepal is a 3rd world country so replace “iPad” with things like “clean drinking water”, “labor rights”, “a working sewage system”, and “having basic healthcare”.
how are those any different from when my ipad wont download app
Kids protested social media ban and corruption, government forces open fired killing 16 people in the capital city. Won’t put pic here but you can go see in Nepali fb pages of the dead. A school kid that was returning home got shot in the head and died. There were some other high school victims. Total injured was over 300 in a protest largely consisting of 18-28 yr old.
I hope you spent some time thinking about this comment and actually read the other replies. No investigation, no right to speak.
