The US is fucking cooked
I can’t help but think this is a phenomenon unique to the US where education has been completely devalued. If the only point of education is to fulfill a requirement to make more money then it makes sense to shortcut as much as possible.
The solution is of course no computer
You must be reading the thread on chapo.chat because here on hexbear im seeing a lot of “education has always been worthless” and “any education that AI could ruin was worthless anyway.” When literally people constantly post about how relying on AI is literally rotting people’s brains and cognitive capabilities.
This is literally just people with grievances about their time in school lashing out no matter how contradictory it is with their own position on AI in general
Also i really love the “kids should direct their own education, if you make someone learn something they hate it’s just wasting their time” shit like yes let’s let the same age group that if allowed to choose their own dinner would pick chicken tenders 10/10 nights to direct their own fucking education lol. I D E A L I S M
People posting about the material conditions of their school time and how they can see why students would use AI doesn’t mean they agree with the usage of AI but that they empathize.
There’s another whoooole discussion to be had about how kids are introduced to food, how there are good foods and bad foods. Allowed and forbidden foods. Food used as punishment and as reward (you must eat everything on your plate before you get dessert). There is a reason why a lot of kids would pick chicken tenders 10/10 nights and it’s not them being stupid. That’s idealism. Looking at what material conditions leads to students cheating, not wanting to learn etc would be the materialist approach. Because kids are curious by nature but there is a systemic effort to force feed them what they’re supposed to learn killing that curiosity. Griping about that system is the opposite of idealism, it’s materialist.
I am incredibly cognizant about all of these things with my kids and expose them to a huge variety of foods, give them massive amounts of freedom to eat what they want, and generally cultivate a positive relationship with and understanding of eating. They will be dramatically less fucked up about food than 99.9% of people when they grow up. Hell, they’re already dramatically less fucked up about food than 99.9% of people, but right now they are still fucking stupid. It’s not idealism. On the other hand, the notion that if everything is exactly perfect then it will produce a still-unlikely outcome in every individual in a society is mainlining ideology.
Your words, not mine, never said “kids choose this because they’re stupid” chief
Your first paragraph is fine, because your argument is a non-argument and is mostly just stating what people believe (people can both condemn AI and the Amerikkkan Education System).
Your second one is just a lack of investigation and a false contradiction. It is not contradictory to believe both the system designed by capitalists to train factory workers and managers is awful and the glorified Markov statistics algorithms masquerading as intelligence are bad. Also, the grievances you talk about are entirely valid, as they are based upon the nightmare education system that many Euro-American countries have. And sure, maybe your situation was different, but that’s a good thing for you because you didn’t have to deal with a shit school. It’s just not acceptable though to turn around and say that just because you don’t know how bad it is, that it isn’t bad. I won’t deny your trauma, and you shouldn’t deny others. Simple as that.
Your third one is just bad. Your argument is “Kids sometimes make bad choices, so they shouldn’t be able to make other choices” - am I getting that right? To that, I say that literally everyone makes bad choices, and just because someone expresses bad judgement doesn’t mean that it is right to revoke them rights or their ability to consent or revoke their consent to situations. Kids often know a lot more about themselves than people think. Not to an absurd degree, but contradictory to the “Children as unthinking property” thesis that the bourgeoisie establishment constantly touts.
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Not all kids are that stupid and treating them like they are stunts their growth.
Oh no kids have to make their own choices (under controlled environments) and must deal with the consequences (under controlled environments). Think about the horrible consequences, that kids will learn how to be responsible!
The above paragraph is somewhat disingenuous to what your argument probably is, but that’s what your argument comes across as.